Oct 10, 2026 · 48 min
AI agents could reroute value through crypto infrastructure
Bitcoin Is the Toll Collector of the AI Economy | Jordi Visser
The episode tests whether AI’s biggest winners will be model makers, specialized agents, or the digital-money systems that route transactions.
- 1AI models may commoditize while specialized agents create highly automated, one-person businesses.
- 2Visser argues crypto infrastructure could capture value as agents handle more transactions and financial activity.
- 3Bitcoin’s long-term case depends on adoption and investor patience, not every short-term market signal.
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Visser’s central investment argument is that AI agents may matter less as individual products than as gateways directing transactions through crypto and digital-money infrastructure.
The brief
Jordi Visser and Anthony Pompliano open with a “bankpocalypse” thesis: AI agents could pressure banks, software companies, and financial intermediaries while lowering costs for consumers.
As general-purpose models improve, the debate shifts to specialized personal agents and one-person firms—and whether value will accrue through attention, advertising, or transaction fees.
Visser favors crypto infrastructure and digital-money toll collectors over picking individual AI winners, while Pompliano sees agent-led transaction routing expanding markets.
Bitcoin becomes the test case for patience: consolidation may obscure its long-term outlook, and being right can still require waiting for other investors to agree.
The closing challenge is separating genuine AI bubble warnings from reputation-driven noise, including Ray Dalio’s argument that higher bond yields could puncture enthusiasm.
What was said on this episode
33 statements · 23 positive · 4 negative · 1 mixed · 5 neutral
Crypto will make its biggest moves next year because of AI agents.
“I think next year is going to be the year that we see the biggest moves in crypto. because of it.”
Listen at 1:17
Banks will face multiple compression over the next year due to AI agents and settlement changes.
“I believe the banks now are gonna go through a problem, which is they're gonna come under multiple compression over the course of the next year because of two factors.”
Listen at 3:31
AI agents will avoid mistakes and seek the cheapest available options.
“agents are not going to make mistakes. They are gonna search for the cheapest way to do things.”
Listen at 4:26
Consumers will benefit from AI-driven financial disintermediation.
“Yeah, the consumer wins.”
Listen at 5:37
Investors in crypto infrastructure will benefit as financial guardrails gain traffic.
“if you invest in crypto and it's a small asset class, you'll do well.”
Listen at 5:43
Stripe competes with traditional banks across financial services.
“Stripe is not a bank, but Stripe is competing with all of them.”
Listen at 8:01
Stripe is already prepared for crypto and agentic commerce.
“They have already built for the crypto world. They already are set up for this. They're already set up for the agentic side.”
Listen at 8:36
Nimble companies will be better positioned than bureaucratic incumbents.
“I think the nimble companies”
Listen at 9:42
ChatGPT and Claude are currently the best AI models.
“ChatGPT and Claude are the best models, plain and simple.”
Listen at 12:49
Opus 5.5 is currently the best general-purpose model for Visser’s work.
“the best model right now is Opus 5.5.”
Listen at 12:57
Anthropic and OpenAI will control most AI compute going forward.
“the problem is Anthropic and OpenAI are going to own most of the compute going forward.”
Listen at 17:04
Open-source models will handle most tasks at near-zero cost.
“the open source is fine for the majority of tasks. 90% of them will be close to zero.”
Listen at 17:59
Agentic compute and financial guardrails will generate investment alpha over the next year.
“there are two themes that I care about right now. Agentic compute, so the AI infrastructure, and the financial guardrails. That's what I believe over the next one year will create the alpha.”
Listen at 18:19
AI applications will capture monetization and sustainable competitive moats.
“the monetization of this and the sustainable moat is going to be in the applications.”
Listen at 20:22
Personal agents may earn transaction fees by routing purchases.
“they think they can basically take a vig.”
Listen at 22:07
The attention economy will collapse as personal agents become prevalent.
“The attention economy is gonna collapse.”
Listen at 23:22
Investors should favor crypto-based digital-money toll collectors.
“The toll collectors. That's crypto. As far as I'm concerned, I want the digital money guardrails.”
Listen at 24:32
Compute supply will remain insufficient for AI agents.
“We will not have enough compute. for the agents.”
Listen at 25:10
Access to greater compute produces the best AI models.
“if you have the compute, you get the best model.”
Listen at 25:53
Customized open-source models can outperform general-purpose providers for specific businesses.
“If you take open source models and you customize them via fine-tuning... to your specific architecture, your specific data, et cetera, you should be able to out-compete them.”
Listen at 26:28
AI will enable billions of one-person law firms.
“The problem is the law firm will end up being a one-person law firm and a billion of them.”
Listen at 27:41
Bitcoin is currently consolidating.
“It's consolidating.”
Listen at 29:42
Bitcoin and related crypto assets are in a bull market.
“It's a bull market.”
Listen at 31:48
Traditional finance participation will accelerate crypto’s market growth.
“the thing that will accelerate it the most is when the traditional finance crowd comes into it.”
Listen at 31:59
Investment profits require later buyers to push an asset’s price higher.
“The only way you make money in anything that you invest in is not because you were right. It's because other people that didn't agree with you at the time came in and pushed that asset higher.”
Listen at 36:54
Ten-year yields will likely be near current levels one year from now.
“it is very likely that 10-year yields will be about the same level a year from now as they are today.”
Listen at 38:13
The jobs market will hover around zero growth over the next year.
“I definitely think it's gonna hover around zero.”
Listen at 38:29
AI demand will exceed supply over the next few years.
“I have full belief that demand is greater than supply over the course of the next few years.”
Listen at 38:45
Crypto will perform well as AI-driven growth accelerates.
“that means crypto's gonna do well.”
Listen at 39:05
The pace of technological change will accelerate next year.
“we're gonna accelerate next year in speed of change.”
Listen at 39:39
Only about one-quarter of S&P 1500 companies outperformed the index after ChatGPT.
“only 24% of the companies in the S&P 1500, so 1500 companies, only 25% have produced a return greater than the index as a whole.”
Listen at 44:00
AI compute infrastructure offers the highest-probability investment opportunity.
“The only thing that I think you can make money on with the highest probability of certainty is things related to building out the compute because we don't have enough of it and we're going to continue to build it out.”
Listen at 44:17
People should learn to use AI to feel empowered amid disruption.
“the best way to feel empowered is to learn how to use AI.”
Listen at 44:34
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