Oct 15, 2026 · 1h 13m
AI optimism masks recession risks and fiscal fragility
Is The Market Hitting Its Breaking Point? | Jesse Felder
The episode examines whether AI-led market strength can withstand economic weakness, rising fiscal pressure, and a potential loss of faith in traditional safe havens.
- 1AI spending may be masking an old-economy recession while speculative enthusiasm leaves markets vulnerable to correction.
- 2Energy supply constraints, gold, and hard assets could gain importance as inflation and fiscal instability challenge conventional portfolios.
- 3Felder favors gradual shifts toward value, TIPS, and defensive exposures rather than waiting for a definitive market crash.
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Felder questions whether Treasuries will still protect investors in a recession if fiscal expansion and foreign distrust continue eroding their safe-haven status.
The brief
Jesse Felder argues that the old economy may already be in recession, even as AI-related spending and stock-market enthusiasm keep the newer economy looking strong.
The case for energy rests on underinvestment, geopolitical uncertainty, and a long capital cycle that could keep supply constrained even while investors avoid the sector.
Felder sees gold as protection against inflation and fiscal instability, especially if real yields have peaked and future crises revive monetary intervention.
The sharpest warning concerns Treasuries: expanding government supply and foreign distrust could weaken their safe-haven role during the next recession.
Rather than wait for a crash, Felder suggests gradually rotating from growth toward value, TIPS, gold, energy, and other hard-asset exposures.
What was said on this episode
49 statements · 20 positive · 24 negative · 4 mixed · 1 neutral
The old economy is currently in recession.
“The old economy is essentially in recession”
Listen at 0:56
The new economy is currently performing strongly.
“the new economy is doing great”
Listen at 1:01
The new economy is nearing the point where it cannot support everything alone.
“we're really close to getting to that point”
Listen at 1:15
Financial assets are unattractive, while real and hard assets are attractive.
“bearish financial assets, bullish real assets, bullish hard assets”
Listen at 3:06
The ten-year Treasury yield has a technical target near 6%.
“leaves the target close to six percent”
Listen at 4:29
Interest rates currently have strong upward momentum.
“momentum on the upside interest rates right now is pretty strong”
Listen at 4:33
The new economy is nearing its inability to sustain the broader economy.
“I think we're really close to getting to that point”
Listen at 8:30
The S&P 500 has never reached a high with fewer than 30% above their 50-day average.
“that's never happened before”
Listen at 8:42
The financing environment for the AI investment boom is deteriorating.
“the capital window to me is closing”
Listen at 10:17
Withdrawn and delayed IPOs indicate weakening demand for AI investment financing.
“the capital window is closing”
Listen at 11:22
Rising inflation and interest rates are harming the old economy.
“The old economy is clearly suffering from rising inflation and interest rates.”
Listen at 12:09
Drained reserves and strong demand create a bullish energy backdrop.
“that sets the stage for for you know a uh a very bullish backdrop”
Listen at 15:04
Restocking demand will likely provide a floor under oil prices.
“probably a floor under oil prices”
Listen at 15:13
Oil prices could rise substantially from current levels.
“oil prices could go up so much from here”
Listen at 16:27
The energy bull market is not near its end.
“we're not going to be anywhere near an end of this energy bull market”
Listen at 19:10
The energy market has substantial further upside potential.
“It has plenty, plenty of room in front of it to run”
Listen at 19:27
Much of the recent rise in real yields has likely already occurred.
“a lot of this move in real yields is behind us”
Listen at 21:05
Gold may trade sideways before anticipating another rate-cut cycle.
“gold kind of just trends sideways for a period of time”
Listen at 24:30
Volcker-style tightening would significantly hurt gold prices.
“that's going to really hurt the gold price”
Listen at 26:58
Yield-curve control combined with short-term tightening would sharply boost gold.
“Gold goes nuts in that scenario, I think.”
Listen at 29:23
Yield-curve control could produce a gold price around $10,000.
“that's how you get a $10,000 gold price or something”
Listen at 29:26
A gradual tightening followed by renewed rate cuts is the likeliest gold scenario.
“the middle scenario is the most likely”
Listen at 29:38
Recession-era Treasury issuance could overwhelm potential demand.
“the amount of supply that means of new treasuries coming on the market is going to overwhelm any type of potential demand”
Listen at 31:30
The Fed will likely need to intervene in the Treasury market during the next recession.
“it's going to be really, really hard for the Fed to avoid some type of intervention”
Listen at 32:11
Gold would likely perform strongly if AI implodes and Treasury markets destabilize.
“it's hard to not see gold really doing well in that type of a scenario”
Listen at 34:15
Future fiscal support cannot match pandemic-era levels.
“we're getting to the point where, yes, I think that they can't do fiscal anywhere near the way they did it during the pandemic”
Listen at 35:53
A debt crisis is more likely than another large fiscal rescue.
“more likely is we're going to be closer to some type of a debt crisis”
Listen at 36:06
Fiscal austerity may target corporate tax cuts and AI taxation.
“the easiest target in terms of fiscal austerity is going to be undoing the corporate tax cuts and maybe taxing AI”
Listen at 36:46
The dollar would plunge under fiscal expansion with yield-curve control.
“the dollar is going to... do plunge in that type of a scenario”
Listen at 37:49
A plunging dollar would strongly benefit hard assets, precious metals, and oil.
“which is obviously very, very bullish for all types of hard assets, precious metals, oil price, I mean, everything”
Listen at 37:53
Gold is effective at preserving purchasing power over the long run.
“what gold is great at is preserving your purchasing power”
Listen at 39:15
Gold might need to reach $10,000 to preserve purchasing power.
“maybe gold needs to go to 10 000 to preserve your purchasing power”
Listen at 39:58
The current inflationary cycle is not near its end.
“we're still not anywhere near the end of this inflationary cycle”
Listen at 46:12
Inflation will persist until monetary and fiscal authorities impose discipline.
“it's going to persist until people become really determined”
Listen at 46:17
Rising populism will eventually demand a larger labor share of income.
“rising populism is going to at some point demand a greater labor share”
Listen at 50:26
Corporate profit margins are especially vulnerable if fiscal austerity begins.
“that is going to be at most at risk if the topic of austerity comes up at some point”
Listen at 50:41
Available fiscal space is currently very limited.
“The amount of fiscal space out there is very, very limited.”
Listen at 52:48
Inflation could return to 6–8%, forcing a fiscal response.
“inflation maybe going 6%, 7%, 8% again and requiring a fiscal reaction”
Listen at 55:24
Investors seeking bond exposure should favor TIPS.
“if you do want to own bonds, tips are the way to go”
Listen at 56:36
Gold has historically preserved purchasing power better than TIPS.
“Historically, gold has done a way better job of preserving your purchasing power than TIPS.”
Listen at 57:17
Gold is preferable to TIPS for purchasing-power protection.
“personally i prefer gold over tips”
Listen at 57:37
Value stocks likely offer meaningful opportunity.
“there's probably some real opportunity in the value factor”
Listen at 58:37
Some deeply out-of-favor value investments are attractive.
“I think there are things out there in terms of value that are deeply contrarian”
Listen at 1:02:50
Investors should not fully allocate to value stocks immediately.
“I wouldn't necessarily go all in on them right now”
Listen at 1:03:00
T-bills currently offer roughly 4% and provide liquidity.
“i think you can buy you know t-bills earning you know four percent or something right now”
Listen at 1:03:04
Stock markets typically peak 9–18 months before capital expenditure peaks.
“The stock market always peaks well before the CapEx, nine months, 18 months in advance of the peak of CapEx”
Listen at 1:07:41
Stock prices provide an earlier signal than capital expenditure data.
“stock prices will give you the signal”
Listen at 1:07:56
Semiconductor stocks have already peaked.
“we saw semiconductors peak”
Listen at 1:07:59
The Korean stock market peaked in the second quarter.
“The Korean market peaked in the second quarter.”
Listen at 1:08:01
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