Oct 13, 2026 · 2h 0m
Andy Ngo links Zizian violence to radical online communities
The Ilhan Omar Raid Mystery, Alex Cooper's Past Exposed, Selma Blair's Plane Meltdown, and Andy Ngo on Disturbing "Trans" Cult | Ep. 1417
The episode moves from political and media controversies to a disputed account of alleged violence, ideology, and recruitment around the Zizians.
- 1Megyn Kelly reviews controversies involving political figures, media personalities, and public behavior through a lens of accountability.
- 2Karoline Leavitt’s press-secretary debut draws criticism, while Kelly argues experience could improve her performance.
- 3Andy Ngo describes the Zizians’ alleged violence, ideological ties, and legal scrutiny while distinguishing transgender identity from criminality.
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Andy Ngo explains how he connects the Zizians to alleged violence and to Bay Area rationalist and artificial-intelligence-risk communities.
The brief
Megyn Kelly opens with a rapid review of political and cultural controversies, including scrutiny of Ilhan Omar, Karoline Leavitt’s debut, and Kimberly Guilfoyle’s ambassadorial departure.
The discussion turns to Don Lemon’s possible presidential ambitions, a sexual-violence debate, and reports surrounding Selma Blair’s airline incident, with Kelly emphasizing accountability and public conduct.
Andy Ngo joins to discuss the Zizians, a small group he connects to alleged violence, radical ideology, and communities concerned with rationalism and artificial-intelligence risk.
Ngo describes the group’s reported origins around Jack Lasota, alleged attacks and murders, hostage-style protests, and the law-enforcement attention that followed.
The conversation argues that transgender identity does not explain violence, while examining how online recruitment, ideology, and apparent threats can complicate public understanding of extremism.
What was said on this episode
18 statements · 5 positive · 10 negative · 3 neutral
Ilhan Omar may have violated multiple laws.
“Ilhan Omar genuinely does appear to have behaved in a way that may have crossed more than one line legally.”
Listen at 5:59
Ilhan Omar married her brother to facilitate immigration.
“I think she married her brother to get him in here and to avoid too much immigration scrutiny.”
Listen at 6:40
If true, Omar’s alleged marriage constituted a felony.
“And if she did that, she committed a felony and she's in a lot of trouble, a lot of trouble.”
Listen at 6:46
Federal agents raided Omar’s Washington, D.C. home.
“The feds raided her home yesterday morning in Washington, D.C., pulling documents and who knows what else.”
Listen at 6:50
Investigators will determine whether Elmi is Omar’s brother.
“if this guy's her brother, they're going to figure that out.”
Listen at 7:16
The basis of the criminal probe will soon become known.
“We are going to know if that's the basis for this criminal probe. We are going to know and we are going to know quickly.”
Listen at 8:00
Omar was credibly accused of using campaign funds for private expenses.
“She was, it appears, credibly accused of misusing campaign donations on private expenses.”
Listen at 22:34
Trump likely had no involvement in the Omar raid.
“I believe he didn't have anything to do with it because... He sent out that tweet in January, but he's been pretty quiet.”
Listen at 24:24
Press officials should present themselves professionally to be taken seriously.
“when you are in a job in which you need to be taken seriously, you need to present as a serious person.”
Listen at 27:29
A press secretary’s role requires professional rather than sexually provocative presentation.
“You're not there to turn anybody on. You're there to look like a professional.”
Listen at 28:08
Katie Zakaria will improve at speaking off the cuff.
“she's going to get better.”
Listen at 31:14
Zakaria will be much better after a year in the job.
“if she is still at this job a year from now, she's going to be way better at it.”
Listen at 31:25
Guilfoyle could face criminal consequences if allegations are substantiated.
“there is the possibility that Kimberly's not only facing the loss of her position as ambassador, but she could potentially be in some criminal trouble here if the allegations against her are true.”
Listen at 35:10
Megyn Kelly recommends that Don Lemon run for president.
“I think you should do it.”
Listen at 46:55
Selma Blair has experienced longstanding behavioral or substance-related problems.
“I think Selma Blair's had some issues for a long time, as I just made clear.”
Listen at 1:34:54
Selma Blair was probably experiencing a mental-health crisis.
“I do think she was probably in the midst of some sort of mental health crisis.”
Listen at 1:37:57
Selma Blair needs substantial professional help.
“I really genuinely hope Selma Blair finally gets the help that she clearly so desperately needs.”
Listen at 1:38:03
Reported names and sex classifications may be inaccurate for trans-identifying suspects.
“you cannot take the names of suspects at face value from reporting agencies or even law enforcement departments because all of them use names and sex of individuals that are often inaccurate if it involves trans-identifying individuals.”
Listen at 1:44:47
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