Sep 11, 2026 · 1h 13m
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Bond investors challenge governments’ spending promises
Why The Bond Market Is Starting To Revolt — ft. Katie Martin
Rising yields are testing whether governments and central banks can restore confidence while debt, inflation, and political risks intensify.
- 1Global bond markets are repricing heavy government borrowing and inconsistent political and central-bank messaging.
- 2Equity resilience masks a different risk assessment, as bond investors focus more sharply on fiscal credibility and inflation.
- 3Federal Reserve credibility, AI financing, tariffs, and elections could determine whether market stress deepens through 2026.
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Katie Martin argues that Federal Reserve credibility and Kevin Walsh’s policy decisions will be the most important market variables for the rest of 2026.
The brief
Financial Times columnist Katie Martin joins Ed Elson and Scott Galloway as rising government bond yields expose growing investor concern about borrowing, inflation, and mixed official messaging.
The episode’s central tension is the gap between resilient equity markets and anxious bond markets, whose investors are weighing fiscal credibility and inflation risks differently.
Across the United States, Europe, the United Kingdom, and Japan, the discussion asks whether voters will accept the taxes or spending cuts needed to stabilize public finances.
AI investment adds a newer credit risk: hyperscalers are turning to bond markets after exhausting free cash flow, potentially spreading weakness beyond technology stocks.
Katie Martin identifies Federal Reserve credibility and Kevin Walsh’s policy decisions as the variables most likely to shape markets through the rest of 2026.
What was said on this episode
25 statements · 3 positive · 20 negative · 2 mixed
Governments are borrowing excessively, increasing pressure on bond markets.
“governments are just borrowing too much damn money”
Listen at 7:19
Excessive government borrowing causes bond investors to demand higher returns.
“bond investors say, look, I'll buy these bonds, but it's going to cost you. I'm going to want a higher return on them. And that's exactly what's happening here.”
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Inflation reduces bond returns.
“Bonds famously hate inflation. It eats into their returns.”
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US debt buybacks and yen intervention signal concern about borrowing costs.
“the US has increased the size of its debt buybacks and it's done various other things in relation to its Japanese yen intervention that just brings focus and attention to the fact that the US is uncomfortable with its borrowing costs.”
Listen at 10:32
Mixed US policy messaging is worsening bond-market uncertainty.
“we've had a lot of mixed messaging recently from really senior kind of finance people in the US recently that is unhelpful.”
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Higher US growth and inflation may require higher interest rates.
“Maybe we do have a higher growth, higher inflation situation in the US that calls for higher interest rates.”
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Strong corporate earnings currently make stock losses less likely.
“It's very hard for stocks to lose at the moment because companies are just making so much damn money.”
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The UK lacks a credible way to fund desired public services.
“there is no real solution to how to pay for it.”
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The European Central Bank would prevent France from defaulting on its debts.
“Personally, I think there is no way that the European Central Bank would let France fail on its debts.”
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Fiscal concerns and mixed Fed messaging, rather than inflation, weakened bonds recently.
“it's not inflation that's been doing the heavy lifting in weakening bonds over the past few weeks. It's more of this, the fiscal side, the what the hell is going on with the Fed kind of side, the mixed messages, all of these signals from Besant that this really is a problem.”
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Walsh’s refusal to guide markets signaled tolerance for higher yields and pushed them higher.
“what the market would take from that is a signal that. It's fine, you know, with the administration and with the Fed if government bond yields are much higher. And so I'm going to push them higher. So it kind of backfired.”
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Trump and Walsh may clash over interest-rate policy before the midterms.
“I do think there is a bit of a potential clash coming, again, just ahead of these midterms.”
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Post-COVID government borrowing has become substantially more expensive.
“the money tree is bare. And it's, you know, it's just a fundamentally more expensive exercise to borrow.”
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Rapid US economic growth could help resolve its debt problem.
“The U.S. has a couple of advantages, yet it does have... You know, great growth, envy of the world. And that's the other way that the U.S. can get out of this problem is just to grow really, really fast.”
Listen at 41:47
Brexit continues to impede UK-European trade.
“it just threw sand in the gears of every single trade transaction or export or import from Europe that we're really still seeing the effects of that.”
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Hyperscaler borrowing reduces demand for government bonds.
“These companies are now borrowing so much money that that is sucking some demand out of the government bond markets.”
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A collapse in the AI trade could redirect demand toward government bonds.
“if the AI trade does fall over? Not in a great place, I would argue, that would free up more demand maybe for the government bonds.”
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AI concentration is distorting private and corporate credit markets.
“It's also super dominant in private markets, private equity, private credit and public corporate bond markets. It's bending everything out of whack.”
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If AI fails, multiple markets and economies could suffer simultaneously.
“If it were to go wrong, big if, I have no crystal ball, I don't know. But there's a lot of things that would go wrong at the same time.”
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Trump’s perceived lame-duck status could trigger worsening geopolitical events after midterms.
“it is possible that we get this kind of flurry of worrying geopolitical news that comes after it while people perceive that he really doesn't have long left in the job.”
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A policy mistake by Walsh would further harm bond markets.
“if Walsh gets this wrong, then that would be another unhelpful factor for the bond markets.”
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The Federal Reserve will raise rates before the end of 2026.
“I do. Yeah. Whether it's... you know, next week, you know, whether it comes in September, I don't know. But I think there will be something before the end of the year.”
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Persistent inflation and payroll strength would force Walsh to maintain restrictive policy.
“If inflation stays sticky and payrolls keep doing what they're doing, I don't see how Walsh has a choice. You know, he has to stick to the script”
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Walsh’s acceptance of higher yields would cause bond yields to rise further.
“if he keeps signaling that, you know, actually, I'm very happy for the market to do my job for me and I want yields to be much higher. then they'll push higher”
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Fed uncertainty reduces investor demand for Treasuries.
“Investors need to know where the Fed is. And if they really don't know where the Fed is, then the only thing they can price is not knowing. And that means just not buying so many treasuries”
Listen at 1:08:25
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