Aug 11, 2026 · 1h 53m
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Democrats debate a working-class reset
Can Dems Put Woke to Bed?
The episode tests whether Democrats can defend civil rights while addressing affordability, public safety, and voter distrust without surrendering the argument to Republican framing.
- 1The hosts argue Democrats must separate unpopular rhetoric from civil-rights commitments while confronting Republican responsibility for policy failures.
- 2Sam Forstag links wildfire cuts, housing costs, public lands, and AI oversight to Democrats’ struggle to rebuild working-class credibility.
- 3The episode connects national political fights—from Iran and vaccines to women’s sports—with the messaging pressures shaping the midterms.
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Sam Forstag connects his smokejumper experience and Montana’s affordability crisis to a broader argument that Democrats must rebuild trust through material results.
The brief
Jon Favreau and Jon Lovett survey a crowded political landscape: Trump’s stalled Iran war, Netanyahu’s rejection of Palestinian statehood, vaccine misinformation, and Todd Blanche’s confirmation.
Their central argument is that Democrats should acknowledge where progressive rhetoric alienated voters without abandoning civil rights, abortion rights, or scrutiny of Republican power.
The hosts then examine primary contests, women’s sports, and Hunter Biden’s right-wing media tour as examples of how attention and political framing can distort priorities.
Sam Forstag, a Montana smokejumper and union organizer, describes wildfire-response cuts, housing pressures, public lands, and AI oversight as practical tests of Democratic credibility.
Forstag’s account shifts the debate from slogans to lived experience: Democrats, he argues, must address material problems before lecturing working-class voters about their interests.
What was said on this episode
56 statements · 8 positive · 41 negative · 1 mixed · 6 neutral
Trump is seeking an exit from the Iran war that amounts to accepting defeat.
“the president is desperately looking for a way to accept defeat in Iran”
Listen at 4:38
Trump’s administration has added 548,000 net jobs, representing very slow growth.
“Trump's administration has only added 548,000 net jobs so far, which is considered very slow growth.”
Listen at 5:34
Weak economic numbers will cause many Republican members of Congress to lose reelection.
“these are the types of numbers that will make a lot of Republican members of Congress lose their jobs come November.”
Listen at 6:08
Trump’s job approval rating is 22 points underwater.
“Trump's net approval rating on jobs, he is now 22 points underwater”
Listen at 6:17
Trump appears politically weak because Iran remains in control of the Strait of Hormuz.
“Trump looks weak.”
Listen at 7:29
Iran is unlikely to reopen the Strait of Hormuz because it is its main leverage.
“I don't think the strait is going to be open because Iran has recognized correctly that this is their sole point of leverage now.”
Listen at 8:01
Further US strikes are not supported by intelligence as a way to force Iranian negotiations.
“there is no intelligence that said that any further US strikes would bring them to the negotiating table”
Listen at 9:16
Losing the midterms could weaken Trump yet enable a drastic escalation.
“losing the midterm may weaken him politically, but might put him in a position to do something drastic and quite terrible.”
Listen at 11:16
Trump may capitulate further after the midterms to end the Iran war.
“you could see him doing that again after the midterms just to get it off his plate”
Listen at 11:42
Netanyahu is obstructing a viable two-state solution.
“Benjamin Netanyahu is the obstacle to that possibility”
Listen at 16:27
Removing Netanyahu through an election may not substantially change the Israeli-Palestinian situation.
“I don't know that an election, even that gets rid of Netanyahu, is going to fundamentally change too much about that scenario”
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US measles cases reached 2,371 by July, exceeding the prior year’s total.
“The U.S. passed all of 2025's measles total by July so far this year. 2,371 cases, 37 new outbreaks versus 2,000 for all of last year”
Listen at 20:48
Splitting the MMR vaccine schedule causes mumps and rubella outbreaks.
“what do you end up with? You end up with outbreaks of mumps and rubella. That's just what happens.”
Listen at 21:29
Delaying childhood vaccinations will cause some children serious injury or death.
“if you increase the window, if you cause more delays, if people don't show up to the doctor, inside of that group of kids are people that are gonna get hurt, maybe permanently injured, maybe die.”
Listen at 23:49
COVID vaccination data showed no statistically significant miscarriage increase.
“there wasn't a spike. It didn't go above, there wasn't a statistically significant increase in miscarriages.”
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Today’s early-childhood vaccines contain roughly one-tenth the antigens of one older pertussis shot.
“the dozen or so vaccines that kids will get in early childhood today actually have less, far less, like a 10th as much of the kind of antigens that was in one pertussis shot 30 years ago.”
Listen at 28:21
Bill Cassidy surrendered his Senate leverage to Donald Trump during the attorney-general confirmation.
“he completely gave up that power to Donald Trump”
Listen at 33:33
Republican senators could have legally restricted future IRS settlements.
“They could have, in law, they could have passed a law that said no settlement with the IRS could carry forward into the future”
Listen at 35:05
Republicans cannot campaign away responsibility for overturning Roe.
“there's no campaigning that they can do to, uh, defuse the fact that they overturned Roe.”
Listen at 39:56
Republican extremism messaging may influence inattentive voters at the margins.
“on the margins, for, you know, voters who aren't paying attention until they go cast a ballot, could this work? Maybe.”
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Francesca Hong would need to convincingly reassure voters about public safety.
“she's going to have to if she's the nominee, reassurance of people that she cares about public safety and do it in a way that is convincing.”
Listen at 44:25
Candidates should probably avoid calling themselves socialists.
“That's why you probably shouldn't call yourself a socialist, right?”
Listen at 46:31
Ideological labels are not helpful for Democratic candidates.
“the labeling doesn't seem like it's helpful in, in, in any way, shape, or form.”
Listen at 47:41
“Woke One Was Crazy” is broadly accurate about excesses of the 2020-era left.
“it has the benefit of just being kind of true.”
Listen at 50:08
Persuasion is more effective than online yelling for advancing reform.
“the most effective way is to try to like bring people along, to persuade them.”
Listen at 54:32
Looting is morally wrong because it harms workers and business owners.
“because looting is wrong, because that business being destroyed hurts the people that work there, the people that own that business”
Listen at 58:51
Political leaders should welcome changed views, apologies, and recognition of past mistakes.
“changing your mind is good, apologies are good, recognizing that past positions weren't the best is good.”
Listen at 1:00:24
Candidates should reject abolishing police and acknowledge prior support was misguided.
“I don't wanna abolish the police. I think that that's dumb and I regret embracing it as a slogan because it doesn't actually capture what I think.”
Listen at 1:02:38
Tom Tiffany denies the legitimacy of elections.
“Tom Tiffany is an election denier.”
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Wisconsin voters do not want an election-denying Republican candidate.
“The Republicans are not doing that. Tom Tiffany, the voters of Wisconsin do not want an election denier.”
Listen at 1:05:59
Transgender women seeking WNBA participation should undergo transition.
“if they would like to play in the WNBA, they better fucking transition.”
Listen at 1:12:26
WNBA rules do not make eligibility depend solely on self-identification.
“nothing in the rules says that.”
Listen at 1:12:47
Tucker Carlson has hosted Holocaust deniers and embraced antisemitic conspiracy theories.
“Tucker Carlson has had Holocaust deniers on his show. He has embraced a whole host of antisemitic conspiracy theories.”
Listen at 1:15:27
Federal wildfire-service cuts hampered public safety.
“public safety was hampered.”
Listen at 1:23:34
Federal wildfire-service cuts lengthen wildfire suppression efforts.
“it takes longer to fight those fires.”
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Federal wildfire cuts aim to privatize firefighting and create profit opportunities.
“The real goal here was cuts and privatization to turn it into another source of profit.”
Listen at 1:24:30
Western Montana has the least affordable housing market in the United States.
“we have the least affordable housing market in the country”
Listen at 1:26:03
Average home prices approach $600,000 in Missoula and $900,000 in Bozeman.
“in Missoula, it's just shy of $600K. You go to Bozeman, it's around $900,000”
Listen at 1:26:21
Average Montana childcare costs approach $19,000 annually.
“The average cost of childcare is just shy of $19K”
Listen at 1:26:39
Homelessness doubled or tripled in every major Montana city over five years.
“homelessness just doubled or tripled in every major city in Montana over the preceding 5 years”
Listen at 1:27:22
18,000 Montanans split their 2024 votes between Trump and Tester.
“18,000 Montanans voted for Donald Trump and Jon Tester in 2024.”
Listen at 1:29:50
Most working people earning under $100,000 voted Republican.
“Most working people, most folks making under $100K just voted for Republicans.”
Listen at 1:32:12
The federal government’s primary role is protecting constitutional freedoms.
“there are 2 primary roles for the federal government. First and foremost, it's to protect your constitutional freedoms”
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The federal government should meet basic material needs when markets fail.
“Second, it's to make sure you can meet your basic material needs when the market is not meeting them.”
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Much Inflation Reduction Act funding was not disbursed.
“a whole lot of that money never actually got out the door”
Listen at 1:40:21
Kathy’s mobile-home lot rent rose from $370 to over $800 monthly.
“Kathy's lot rent has gone from $370 a month to over $800.”
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Federal law should require data centers to provide their own electricity before construction.
“we need to pass a damn law at the federal level saying they can't build these things until and unless they show that they're gonna provide all their own power.”
Listen at 1:41:56
The data-center industry plans to spend $4 trillion over seven years.
“They're planning to spend $4 trillion on data center development in the next 7 years.”
Listen at 1:42:18
AI may be the United States’ greatest existential threat.
“this technology is perhaps the biggest existential threat that we've got as a country.”
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AI could cure cancer or cause human extinction.
“this is a technology that could cure cancer or it could kill all of humanity.”
Listen at 1:42:44
AI currently lacks effective oversight and regulation.
“There's no oversight or regulation of this right now, functionally speaking.”
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Failure to establish AI oversight will create serious future problems.
“we're going to be in a tough spot.”
Listen at 1:43:19
The Democratic candidate should withdraw so voters can unite behind the independent.
“so that everyone can coalesce around the independent candidate.”
Listen at 1:43:50
Two competing candidates cannot defeat the Republican while both remain in the race.
“neither candidate's going to have a chance of winning against the Republican as long as they're both in this race.”
Listen at 1:44:35
Gun rights and public lands protection are consensus issues in Montana.
“protecting your gun rights and protecting your public lands, those are the 2 consensus issues in a place like Montana”
Listen at 1:47:15
Montana wildfire staffing fell 20%, including 2,000 fewer red-carded firefighters.
“we're down 20%, we've lost 2,000 red-carded firefighters.”
Listen at 1:48:04
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