Oct 9, 2026 · 16 min

Firmus exposes the financing risks behind AI infrastructure hype

Monologue: Australia's Dodgiest AI IPO Is A Pale Horse

The episode connects one delayed Australian IPO to a broader neocloud bubble whose losses could reach ordinary investors and major financial institutions.

3 key takeaways

1Firmus pursued a multibillion-dollar IPO despite limited revenue and unfinished AI data-center infrastructure.
2Weak technology and financial-media scrutiny can turn promotional AI projects into investable debt and equity stories.
3Neocloud failures could shift losses onto retail investors, pension funds, insurers, and other financial institutions.

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The brief

Ed Zitron uses Firmus, an Australian AI infrastructure company, to examine how ambitious data-center plans can attract multibillion-dollar valuations before the underlying business is built.

Firmus’s proposed expansion, including Project Southgate and ties to NVIDIA, sits alongside limited revenue and unfinished infrastructure—an imbalance Zitron treats as emblematic of the neocloud bubble.

The monologue turns to the press, arguing that American technology and financial outlets often repeat claims from companies such as CoreWeave without testing the projects behind them.

The sharpest warning concerns who absorbs the losses: Zitron points to Blackstone’s credit and insurance fund backing and the exposure of retail investors, pensions, and insurers.

Firmus postponed its IPO shortly before publication, but Zitron’s broader argument remains: AI hype can become financial risk when scrutiny fails before capital arrives.

What was said on this episode

12 statements · 9 negative · 1 mixed · 2 neutral

Ed Zitronon FirmusNeutral3:34
Firmus has NVIDIA backing and approximately $50 million in revenue.
“Firmus, an NVIDIA-backed AI data center company with a whole $50 million in revenue”
Listen at 3:34
Ed Zitronon Project SouthgateNegative4:55
CDC withdrew from Project Southgate after approximately 2.5% of capacity was built.
“CDC pulled out of the project a few days ago with around 2.5% of the capacity built”
Listen at 4:55
Ed Zitronon Firmus IPO valuationNeutral5:20
Firmus shares were priced around $11, implying a $43.7 billion valuation.
“it priced around $11 apiece, or a valuation of $43.7 billion”
Listen at 5:20
Ed Zitronon FirmusNegative6:19
David Allen characterized Firmus as a poor investment or offering.
“Firmus is a fucking stinker”
Listen at 6:19
Ed Zitronon Firmus revenue backlogNegative6:21
Firmus derives 90% of its revenue backlog from two customers.
“90% of its revenue backlog comes from two customers”
Listen at 6:21
Ed Zitronon Firmus Malaysian data centersNegative6:30
Firmus’s planned Malaysian data centers for OpenAI compute do not exist and will never exist.
“a multi-year deal to provide compute to OpenAI out of data centers in Malaysia that do not exist and, let's be honest, will never exist”
Listen at 6:30
Ed Zitronon Firmus IPONegative7:35
Firmus may fail to list or may list at a substantial discount.
“it's unclear whether Firmus lists at all, or if it does, how much it'll actually list for”
Listen at 7:35
Ed Zitronon Artificial intelligence bubbleNegative8:48
Firmus’s IPO difficulties indicate investors are recognizing an AI bubble involving questionable asset sales.
“it's a sign that investors have finally started to see the ai bubble for what it is a bunch of grifters trying to dump questionably valued assets onto an unsuspecting public”
Listen at 8:48
Ed Zitronon LambdaNegative9:32
Lambda will face additional problems before its planned 2027 IPO.
“Lambda, another NVIDIA-backed Neocloud planning to do so in 2027, is going to have a few more problems”
Listen at 9:32
Ed Zitronon Neocloud stocksNegative11:32
A future neocloud stock crash will harm connected retail and other investors.
“the future stock crash that happens which fucks every investor retail and otherwise that is connected to a neocloud maybe we could have avoided that”
Listen at 11:32
Ed Zitronon Australian and American neocloud investorsMixed11:42
Australian investors appear likely to suffer less harm than American investors.
“it looks like Australian investors won't get harmed as much as American ones”
Listen at 11:42
Ed Zitronon Blackstone investments in AI companiesNegative12:48
Blackstone is putting pension and insurance funds into questionable AI companies.
“allowing and actually greenlighting and approving and celebrating companies like Blackstone sinking pension funds and insurance funds into these dodgy goddamn companies”
Listen at 12:48

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