Sep 1, 2026 · 1h 10m
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Investors debate AI mania as software regains market leadership
Tim Cook the GOAT? Snowflake earnings preview, the software comeback, reactions to Ed Zitron
The episode tests whether AI spending reflects durable enterprise demand or speculative excess while reassessing software, cybersecurity, and executive performance.
- 1Snowflake and Broadcom offer competing lenses on whether AI infrastructure demand is durable, profitable, and tied to enterprise adoption.
- 2The hosts argue falling compute costs could expand AI usage, even as corporate pressure and data-center spending raise mania concerns.
- 3Software and cybersecurity stocks are recovering after a broad selloff, exposing how quickly markets can misjudge competitive threats and leadership.
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The brief
Snowflake and Broadcom anchor an earnings preview focused on AI’s data and networking layers, with investors weighing strong demand against demanding valuations.
Revisiting Ed Zitron’s AI skepticism, the hosts separate possible Silicon Valley and data-center spending manias from the broader question of whether the technology is useful.
Falling compute costs, better software, open-source tools, and specialized systems could broaden AI adoption, but corporate pressure to appear strategic complicates the demand signal.
Josh Brown makes the case for Tim Cook as the best public-company chief executive, emphasizing Apple’s growth, capital returns, acquisitions, geopolitics, and operational discipline.
The software rebound becomes the market’s counterpoint to AI pessimism, with cybersecurity demand and CrowdStrike’s accumulation suggesting the SaaSpocalypse consensus went too far.
Extreme momentum rotation, mistaken reactions to Altruist and Schwab, and Clear Secure’s speculative appeal leave a market digesting leadership rather than advancing uniformly.
What was said on this episode
41 statements · 24 positive · 9 negative · 4 mixed · 4 neutral
Snowflake will become central to enterprise agentic AI workflows.
“the LLMs are going to come into the Snowflake environment and we, this layer, is going to be ground zero for the agentic future.”
Listen at 7:06
Snowflake customers are already using agentic workflows on its platform.
“They literally are doing it.”
Listen at 7:31
Databricks is growing roughly twice as fast as Snowflake.
“Databricks is growing 65% Versus snow's growth rate is like 32% they're growing twice as fast”
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Snowflake and Databricks are increasingly copying one another’s capabilities.
“what both platforms are doing is copying each other.”
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The unstructured-data market is enormous and relatively untapped.
“The world of unstructured data is enormous and relatively um untapped”
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Snowflake shares rose 164% from their April low.
“this stock is up 164% from the April low.”
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NVIDIA’s operating earnings reflect earnings generated by its business.
“operating earnings for nvidia what the business is actually generating”
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There is no AI mania in public equity markets.
“I do not see a mania in the public market.”
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Any AI spending mania is concentrated in Silicon Valley and data-center construction.
“if there is a mania, I think it's in Silicon Valley and it's in the data center build out.”
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Current AI technology is not worthless.
“to just say the tech is like it's not it's nothing come on dude that's just that's not true”
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A robotics phase of AI development may occur, but its timing is unknown.
“We haven't entered the robot phase, which might or might not come and who knows when.”
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Anthropic and OpenAI reaching or approaching GAAP profitability would challenge Ed Zitron’s bearish thesis.
“Gap profitability at Anthropic and OpenAI, or even just the path to gap profitability”
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Trillion-dollar-plus IPOs and profitability plans could force Ed Zitron to revise his AI thesis.
“Anthropic and OpenAI doing trillion-dollar-plus IPOs and laying out a roadmap to profitability would probably have to force him to change his thesis”
Listen at 26:42
AI adoption in daily life and corporate America remains at an early stage.
“We are nowhere. I really don't think the transformation has even started to begin.”
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Companies will not reverse their adoption of AI technologies.
“No one's going to go backwards.”
Listen at 34:02
Tim Cook is the best CEO of all time.
“I think he's the best CEO of all time.”
Listen at 35:22
Steve Jobs would not have taken Apple as far as Tim Cook did.
“Steve Jobs, had he still been alive, would not have taken him to where they are.”
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Apple’s per-share value increased thirteenfold during Tim Cook’s tenure.
“This is a 13x increase in the value of each share of Apple.”
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Tim Cook oversaw the launches of Apple Watch and AirPods.
“He launched the watch. He launched the AirPods.”
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Tim Cook navigated Apple’s international political relationships exceptionally well.
“Navigated the political winds in China, India, Europe, and all over the world. Better than any large company, tech company CEO has been able to do.”
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Apple delivered a 2,700% total shareholder return during Tim Cook’s tenure.
“2,700% total return for shareholders”
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Apple added four trillion dollars of market capitalization under Tim Cook.
“$4 trillion in added market cap under his tenure”
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Apple reduced its shares outstanding by 44% over fifteen years.
“they shrunk the float by 44 percent in 15 years”
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Apple Services revenue grew 1,200% and iPhone revenue grew 422% during Tim Cook’s tenure.
“Services, 1,200% revenue growth in the Tim Cook era. iPhone, 422% growth.”
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Apple was Berkshire Hathaway’s and Warren Buffett’s biggest investment win.
“It's the biggest investment win in the history of Berkshire Hathaway and Warren Buffett.”
Listen at 44:58
Apple did not launch a car division despite considering Project Titan.
“Never started a car division. Got close. Project Titan. They almost did a deal with the Koreans and started making cars. Didn't do it.”
Listen at 46:17
Apple avoided major data-center capital spending and large-language-model R&D.
“No data center CapEx chase. Never did it. Never bought in. No large language model R&D. Never did it.”
Listen at 46:27
The market incorrectly judged software earnings as unsustainable.
“The market was wrong. It just was. Happens.”
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Software stocks outperformed after their early-year underperformance.
“since then, Software made a comeback.”
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Duolingo has experienced a substantial rebound despite uncertain future prospects.
“I don't know where this company is going to be in a year or two from now, but holy shit, what a rebound.”
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Charles Schwab shares fell 7% after Altruist launched Hazel.
“Schwab stock fell 7% just on that day alone”
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Schwab fell only 2.6% after Vanguard acquired Altruist.
“the stock only felt 2.6 tells you so much about how the stock market functions”
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The spring 2026 environment of software-stock announcement shocks is over.
“I don't think it's going to be like it was in the spring of 2026. I think that environment is over.”
Listen at 54:36
Salesforce is unlikely to make a new all-time high soon.
“Now, is Salesforce going to make a new high? I'd be very surprised”
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CrowdStrike is the best-performing stock in the world this year.
“I think this is the best stock in the world this year.”
Listen at 57:07
No investment style consistently works; losses are punctuated by extreme winning periods.
“You will lose and lose and lose, punctuated by periods of extreme wins.”
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Large shares of industrial, real-estate, discretionary, and utility stocks are at four-week lows.
“51% of industrials are at four-week lows. 47% of real estate, 34% of discretionary, 71% of utility.”
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Clear Secure has delivered 21 consecutive quarters of revenue growth.
“we've got 21 straight quarters of revenue growth.”
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The market views CrowdStrike as the leader in AI-related cybersecurity.
“the market has decided that they are the furthest ahead in AI-related cybersecurity.”
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Organizations cannot avoid spending on cybersecurity.
“You literally cannot not spend money on cybersecurity.”
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AI is causing cybersecurity threat surfaces to expand exponentially.
“in the AI age, the amount of surface areas for threats are multiplying. Like it's exponential.”
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