Sep 22, 2026 · 1h 18m
Kirk Franklin argues faith belongs beyond church walls
Kirk Franklin premieres NEW SINGLE w/ GloRilla + talks Usher backlash, Uptown Records deal & gospel-rap origins
The conversation examines whether gospel music and spiritual leadership can reach secular audiences without sacrificing authenticity, accountability, or compassion.
- 1Kirk Franklin traces his gospel-hip-hop sound to poverty, abandonment, church, and Southern rap’s emotional realism.
- 2He argues that faith should meet people where they are, even when praying with secular artists draws criticism.
- 3A new collaboration with GloRilla turns uplifting music into a test of whether gospel can cross genre and audience boundaries.
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Kirk Franklin defends praying with Usher and other secular performers, arguing that faith should meet people where they are rather than exclude them.
The brief
Kirk Franklin joins Fat Joe and Jadakiss to connect gospel’s communal power with hip-hop’s storytelling, arguing that positive music works best when it acknowledges pain.
Raised amid poverty, abandonment, church, and hip-hop, Franklin describes a sound built by bringing those worlds together rather than choosing between them.
The sharpest tension arrives over Franklin praying with Usher and other performers: he rejects spiritual gatekeeping and says people need love, not judgment.
Franklin and Fat Joe also question unaccountable religious leadership, warning that faith becomes harmful when authority outruns humility, knowledge, and responsibility.
The conversation’s musical payoff is “This Time,” Franklin’s new single featuring GloRilla, presented as an uplifting record designed to reach beyond regular churchgoers.
By the close, gospel emerges not as a slogan but as storytelling grounded in hardship, identity, family, and the possibility of meeting listeners wherever they are.
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