Sep 30, 2026 · 45 min
Markets Brace for Higher Rates and Costlier Energy
PCE, Yields, and the Tech Trade
Sticky inflation, consumer credit strain, bond-market pressure, energy risks, and speculative AI spending are converging into one difficult macro backdrop.
- 1Consumer spending is outpacing income while rising non-mortgage interest payments increase pressure on households.
- 2Long-term yields may remain elevated as strong growth, fiscal deficits, and delayed rate effects constrain the Fed’s path.
- 3Energy bottlenecks and uncertain AI returns expose markets to risks beyond crude prices and technology valuations.
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Paul Sankey argues that diesel and refining capacity, rather than crude alone, are the key energy constraints facing markets.
The brief
The latest PCE data arrives alongside resilient labor conditions and sticky services inflation, complicating the Federal Reserve’s path even as housing disinflation continues.
Consumer spending is running ahead of income, while rising non-mortgage interest payments add a less visible but growing strain to household finances.
Jens Nordvig and Paul Sankey argue that long-term yields may stay high because growth, fiscal deficits, delayed rate effects, and heavy borrowing reinforce bond-market pressure.
Sankey shifts the energy debate from crude supply to diesel and refining capacity, warning that Strait of Hormuz risks could deepen European disruption.
Julie Biel separates AI’s potentially transformative applications from speculative infrastructure spending, asking whether earnings can broaden beyond technology and energy.
What was said on this episode
35 statements · 6 positive · 25 negative · 4 neutral
Positive economic data would push interest rates higher.
“if everything is looking positive, I think you can expect that rates continue to move higher.”
Listen at 2:51
Housing disinflation is largely finished this year.
“the disinflation there is largely done for this year”
Listen at 3:24
Inflation is currently moving in the wrong direction.
“All of this says inflation is moving in the wrong direction.”
Listen at 4:12
Labor-market indicators show little weakness.
“it's really hard to find any weakness”
Listen at 4:52
Current tariffs could reduce Canadian employment by up to 90,000 jobs.
“we do think it could. reduce employment there up to about 90,000 jobs.”
Listen at 5:52
Pre-tariff inventories will continue drawing down for one or two quarters.
“we still think you have about a quarter or two of inventory drawdown.”
Listen at 6:23
Consumer spending exceeded personal income in August.
“So we were spending more than we were bringing in.”
Listen at 7:51
Rate hikes will not resolve the current inflation and consumer pressures.
“you have forces at play that aren't going to be resolved by a hiking cycle.”
Listen at 9:30
Non-mortgage interest payments at 2.8% have preceded recessions.
“when you've hit 2.8% of that non-mortgage personal interest payment, we've gone into recession.”
Listen at 10:20
Continued credit-card spending will further strain consumers.
“this is going to continue to squeeze them.”
Listen at 10:58
Rate increases take nine to twelve months to affect inflation.
“It takes nine to 12 months.”
Listen at 12:54
The Fed’s tightening cycle will be gradual rather than aggressive.
“that's a recipe for a constrained, gradual cycle rather than a rapid, aggressive one.”
Listen at 13:14
Current fiscal policy is irresponsible.
“we're running irresponsible fiscal policy.”
Listen at 14:54
Fiscal and policy volatility increase long-term bond risk premiums.
“All of those argue for higher risk premium as well.”
Listen at 15:18
The Fed may accept inflation between 2% and 2.5%.
“they'll be satisfied if inflation runs between two and two and a half”
Listen at 16:25
The Fed’s renewed tightening cycle will be limited.
“what I expect to be a limited tightening cycle”
Listen at 17:03
Central-bank balance-sheet intervention will eventually halt rising bond yields.
“eventually, we'll have to have some type of backstop from central bank balance sheet to other balance sheet to stop it.”
Listen at 21:03
Debt-heavy countries experience more severe yield-curve steepening.
“the slope of the curve is more problematically steep in the places where the debt issues are the most severe.”
Listen at 23:27
China is gaining global automotive market share faster than Japan did.
“the speed at which China is taking market share globally is so much faster than what Japan ever did.”
Listen at 25:01
German automakers face severe competitive pressure.
“German car producers are just really pressured.”
Listen at 25:12
The current U.S. military effort to protect oil flows is unsustainable.
“it's clearly an unsustainably expensive effort right now.”
Listen at 27:40
One-year-forward crude prices are rising aggressively.
“year forward crude is now moving up quite aggressively.”
Listen at 27:46
Diesel, rather than crude, is the key energy-supply constraint.
“the constraint is not crude. The constraint is diesel.”
Listen at 28:53
Europe may experience further energy disruptions.
“it looks like we might have energy disruptions”
Listen at 29:24
Banning diesel exports to lower prices would be a bad policy.
“the idea that we would ban diesel exports in order to short term bring the price down”
Listen at 30:18
Higher tanker risks add $25 per barrel to Saudi-China crude transport.
“that's adding $25 a barrel to the price of crude to get from Saudi to China.”
Listen at 31:53
Crude prices will fall sharply if exports remain near 20 million barrels daily.
“we're going to come off these level of crude prices quite aggressively”
Listen at 33:09
Hormuz-related shipping conditions may never normalize.
“it's pretty difficult to see how we normalize, certainly how we normalize ever again the straight-to-form moves”
Listen at 35:08
AI companies currently require exceptionally large amounts of capital.
“they're in this chasm in their business model where they really are just huge users of capital.”
Listen at 38:45
AI companies have assumed little responsibility for technology-related problems.
“they've unleashed this technology and taken very little responsibility for a lot of the problems that it has.”
Listen at 39:00
AI technology will have transformative applications across society.
“this technology has applications that are going to be really life changing for all of us.”
Listen at 39:53
AI’s future implications are difficult to predict with certainty.
“trying to predict it with any kind of certainty is to me really, really difficult.”
Listen at 39:59
Investors should avoid highly leveraged small-cap companies.
“if you can avoid companies that have a lot of leverage, that's what you definitely want to be doing.”
Listen at 41:28
Growth-driven higher rates can benefit small-cap stocks.
“if it's also about their strong economic growth and their strong labor markets, that tends to be actually better for small caps.”
Listen at 41:39
Recent earnings growth is concentrated in technology.
“it's concentrated in technology”
Listen at 42:12
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