Oct 5, 2026 · 40 min
Markets weigh inflation, oil shocks and AI’s earnings promise
Euro and Oil Contagion Risks
The episode connects rising inflation and bond-market pressure with risks to energy costs, housing affordability and equity valuations.
- 1AI infrastructure spending could expand earnings and margins, but an AI setback or credit event would challenge the bull case.
- 2Refined-product shortages, refinery outages and low inventories make diesel a sharper energy risk than crude prices alone.
- 3Mortgage rates above 7% are pushing builders toward incentives, smaller homes and tighter capital discipline.
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Martijn Rats explains why the energy shock is concentrated in refined products, especially diesel, rather than crude oil alone.
The brief
Steve Chiavarone makes the case for equities over bonds as inflation persists, arguing that pricing power and AI infrastructure investment can support earnings and margins.
Martijn Rats shifts the energy debate from crude to refined products, where diesel demand, refinery outages, low inventories and winter risks could intensify the shock.
Airlines, Boeing and defense stocks bring a sector-selection question: pricing power and certification progress matter alongside demand, competition and geopolitical spending.
Sheila Kayaoglu compares airline opportunities and defense contractors, while John Lovallo explains how mortgage rates above 7% are changing builder tactics and housing demand.
The episode’s central tension is whether an AI-driven earnings boom can outrun inflation, bond-market stress, energy costs and weakening housing affordability.
What was said on this episode
44 statements · 26 positive · 15 negative · 1 mixed · 2 neutral
Higher inflation risk than growth risk favors equities over bonds.
“as long as you're in an environment where the risk to upside inflation is greater than the risk to downside growth, that is a profoundly equity-healthy, bond-unhealthy setup”
Listen at 3:04
Equities can pass through inflation and benefit from nominal earnings.
“you have to be in the asset that can pass along the inflation and that eats nominal earnings. And those are equities.”
Listen at 3:23
Current U.S. infrastructure investment is historically unprecedented.
“This is the biggest infrastructure built in the history of the United States.”
Listen at 4:13
Current investment is producing unusually large earnings and margin expansion.
“What we're living through right now is the earnings story of our lifetime. It's the margin expansion story of our lifetime.”
Listen at 4:20
The market multiple declined from 23 times earnings to below 20.
“We've gone from a 23 times multiple to something sub 20.”
Listen at 4:36
The Magnificent Seven and hyperscalers are relatively insensitive to interest rates.
“The MAG7, the hyperscalers are relatively rate insensitive.”
Listen at 4:53
Long-term bond yields should reflect current growth and inflation above 5%.
“long term bond yields have to reflect that and be five plus percent”
Listen at 5:28
Europe should be underweighted in portfolios.
“We're underweight Europe”
Listen at 5:45
Europe has missed the latest major economic transformation.
“Europe has now chosen, for whatever reason, to miss the second major economic transformation of the last 25 years”
Listen at 5:46
European companies lack comparable earnings growth and margin resilience.
“In Europe, they don't have that.”
Listen at 6:23
AI failure or a credit issue could derail the medium-term bullish forecast.
“the two things that could derail the bullish medium term forecast would be, one, if the AI fails, if the technology doesn't materialize, or two, if there's a credit issue”
Listen at 6:39
AI-related capital expenditure will total $700 billion over two years.
“if you're going to engage in $700 billion of CapEx over this year and next year”
Listen at 6:53
The S&P forecast reaches 10,000–11,000 within roughly three years.
“we are out three years, right, or two years on the price forecast, three years on the earnings. We've got an S&P going from 85 to 10,000 to 11,000.”
Listen at 7:41
Micron has sold all chips it will produce next year.
“Micron has already sold every chip that they'll make next year.”
Listen at 7:56
Materials, energy, and industrials are tied to corporate spending.
“If you're tied to hard assets, if you're materials, you're energy, you're industrials. You're tied to corporate spending.”
Listen at 8:23
Consumer companies are not currently strong despite a strong consumer.
“The consumer companies are not”
Listen at 8:39
The oil market is currently shaped by crude, shipping, and refining disruptions.
“the best way to think about the oil market right now is as three combined major disruptions”
Listen at 13:06
Current oil-chain disruptions are mainly reflected in refined-product prices.
“The disruptions across that entire value chain are only really reflected in the price of the refined products.”
Listen at 13:26
Diesel is at an all-time high near $200 per barrel, where demand likely slows.
“Diesel is $200 per barrel. It's all time high. It is the price where demand probably slows down.”
Listen at 14:33
High prices will eventually stimulate additional oil-market capacity.
“So we'll probably see that again at some point.”
Listen at 14:53
Demand for diesel is limited above current high prices.
“the market has taught us there isn't much demand above this level”
Listen at 15:29
Diesel prices may ultimately rise further after pausing.
“ultimately go higher still”
Listen at 15:57
High diesel prices may persist for several quarters.
“our fear is that we have to live with these high diesel prices for a good couple of quarters to come”
Listen at 17:41
German household heating-oil inventories are exceptionally low.
“they are exceptionally low, and they are effectively a bet on the warm winter”
Listen at 19:02
Strategic inventory releases are available as a policy response.
“there can be releases, say, from strategic inventories”
Listen at 19:32
Airbus leads narrow-body aircraft, while Boeing leads wide-body aircraft 60–40.
“I would say Airbus wins from a narrow body perspective. It's 60-40 on a wide body that's inverse.”
Listen at 22:44
Delta is the preferred airline investment for the current earnings season.
“our favorite into this earnings season is Delta”
Listen at 23:40
United is a preferred longer-term airline investment.
“United, more of a long-term thesis there.”
Listen at 23:46
United and Delta continue to outperform in airline customer segmentation.
“United and Delta continue to win the segmentation game.”
Listen at 23:49
American Airlines’ margins are approximately half those of Delta and United.
“Americans margins are about half of Delta's and United's.”
Listen at 24:24
Airline seat prices have risen more than 15% year to date.
“the seat pricing gets incrementally more expensive, which is up double digits, 15 percent plus year to date”
Listen at 25:58
Delta and United have gained dominant airline market share.
“it's been a dominant share gain for Delta and United”
Listen at 26:19
General Dynamics is the preferred upside opportunity among defense contractors.
“the upside driver for me is General Dynamics”
Listen at 27:46
General Dynamics will have net cash by the end of next year.
“They'll be in a net cash position at the end of next year.”
Listen at 27:49
General Dynamics has operating leverage, with EBIT growing 20% faster than revenue.
“they finally have operating leverage in the business. EBIT is growing 20% above where revenues are”
Listen at 28:00
The homebuilding industry is closer to a trough than at any recent point.
“we still do believe that this industry is closer to trough than it is at any point in recent history”
Listen at 32:14
The current 7.57% mortgage rate is not the natural rate.
“I don't believe that 7.57 is the natural rate, though.”
Listen at 33:05
Homebuilders now offer mortgage incentives near 10%, versus 3–4% historically.
“the average homebuilder right now is offering an incentive that's equivalent to about 10% of the mortgage. Now, historically, that's been 3% to 4%.”
Listen at 33:36
Consumer demand for housing remains strong.
“People want housing. That is very clear.”
Listen at 34:46
Homebuilders can preserve affordability through rate buydowns, smaller homes, and fewer features.
“they can buy down mortgage rates. They can build smaller footprint homes further away from the city, and they can decontent them.”
Listen at 35:27
PulteGroup is the top stock pick among homebuilders.
“pulti group is our top pick in the group”
Listen at 36:09
Homebuilders now generate cash through the cycle rather than speculating on land.
“they've changed dramatically in the way they run their businesses If you went back historically, there were land speculators that would buy every piece of dirt, develop it, entitle it, and then throw a home on it at the end of the day to monetize it. Now they're really generating cash through a cycle.”
Listen at 36:29
Homebuilders are returning capital to shareholders and operating like mature companies.
“They're returning capital to shareholders. They're doing things that real companies do.”
Listen at 36:43
Housing equity totals $35 trillion and supports a $68–82 trillion wealth transfer.
“There's $35 trillion of equity built up supporting a $68 to $82 trillion generational wealth transfer.”
Listen at 37:04
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