The Next Level
The Next Level

Sep 4, 2026 · 22 min

The hosts test Democrats’ appetite for political aggression

1112: Secret Podcast: The Senators Who Suck

The episode weighs whether acting first can counter Trump-style politics while scrutinizing the public-service obligations and ethics of two senators.

3 key takeaways
  1. 1Trump’s proposed triumphal arch becomes a test of whether Democrats should act first and seek forgiveness later.
  2. 2The hosts question John Fetterman’s commitment to constituent service, Senate duties, and ethical conduct.
  3. 3Susan Collins’s campaign attacks prompt a broader debate about personal politics and standards of public service.

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The discussion of Susan Collins’s campaign interview turns a personal attack on Troy Jackson into a pointed test of political ethics.

The brief

Sarah Longwell and Jonathan preview their book launch, then move from jokes about Ted Cruz’s bestseller to a debate over political power and public standards.

Trump’s proposed triumphal arch and military observation deck raise a strategic question: should Democrats act first and rely on legal or political forgiveness afterward?

The hosts assess John Fetterman’s reported avoidance of constituents, military funerals, and Senate obligations, debating what his conduct says about service and character.

Fetterman’s former staff, abandoned policy interests, and ties to Republicans sharpen the discussion, while the hosts add nuance to his support for Israel.

Susan Collins’s interview with Jonathan Martin becomes a case study in campaign ethics after she invokes the personal life of opponent Troy Jackson.

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