Aug 27, 2026 · 1h 15m
Tornado Cash case tests the limits of crypto enforcement
Treasury Puts DeFi On Notice as Roman Storm Trial Drags On
The dispute over Roman Storm’s prosecution exposes unresolved questions about privacy software, stablecoins, and when decentralized protocols become regulated financial intermediaries.
- 1The delayed Tornado Cash retrial raises questions about prosecuting developers whose immutable software can serve unknown future users.
- 2Stablecoin freezes show how centralized issuers can cooperate with sanctions authorities even as decentralized networks remain harder to target.
- 3Proposed SEC and congressional rules could reshape crypto fundraising, derivatives oversight, and the boundary between DeFi and regulated venues.
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Peter Van Valkenburgh explains why prosecuting Tornado Cash developers may have limited enforcement value while chilling privacy and zero-knowledge innovation.
The brief
Peter Van Valkenburgh argues that prosecuting crypto builders can mistake technological experimentation for wrongdoing, especially when developers cannot predict who will later use immutable software.
The discussion examines whether sanctions can reach decentralized networks, while stablecoin issuers such as Tether and Circle remain identifiable points of compliance and control.
Roman Storm’s retrial is delayed until 2027 as the court considers an acquittal motion, leaving unresolved how sanctions, money transmission, and immutable privacy software fit together.
Peter and the hosts argue that targeting Tornado Cash developers does little to stop illicit finance compared with pursuing laundering networks, while creating a chilling effect on privacy and zero-knowledge innovation.
The conversation broadens to SEC fundraising exemptions, the Clarity Act, CFTC authority, and whether protocols such as Uniswap should face the same rules as intermediated venues.
The episode’s central tension is whether regulation can distinguish decentralized software from financial intermediaries without forcing both into legacy compliance structures.
What was said on this episode
31 statements · 16 positive · 10 negative · 5 neutral
The administration should target Iranian exchanges, front companies, money networks, and brokers.
“the place where the administration, if you if you ask me, should focus its energies are things like Iranian exchanges. front companies, money networks, brokers”
Listen at 5:44
Targeting identifiable intermediaries for sanctions is legally and constitutionally reasonable.
“those kinds of targets to me are legally and sort of constitutionally reasonable targets for sanctions”
Listen at 6:50
Any source of Iran’s illicit revenue or economic lifeline could face secondary sanctions.
“any source of the regime's illicit revenue, and every economic lifeline that the regime has could be a target for these secondary sanctions”
Listen at 7:50
Trying to shut down Ethereum would not be results-oriented.
“trying to shut down ethereum is not very results oriented”
Listen at 9:27
Targeting decentralized protocols would cause substantial collateral damage.
“it's going to cause tons of collateral damage”
Listen at 9:41
Targeting human brokers could eliminate about 80% of viable illicit-finance avenues.
“you're going to take out 80% of the viable avenues by targeting the entities who are like human brokers”
Listen at 9:57
Uniswap, Circle, and Tether have conducted sanctions compliance.
“Uniswap on its front end that it controls has been doing sanctions compliance for a long time and so does burkle and so does tether now”
Listen at 12:58
Stablecoin issuers must be able to freeze their funds across secondary markets.
“the issuer has to be able to reach out into the secondary market and stop the flow of their funds wherever they exist on the blockchain”
Listen at 14:11
Blockchain analytics does not provide perfect intelligence or all the answers.
“chain analysis, for example, is just magic and has perfect intelligence and all the answers to everything. They don't.”
Listen at 18:24
New technologies cannot be eliminated through regulation.
“they can't be regulated out of existence”
Listen at 19:31
Outlawing crypto technologies would reduce visibility while users continue using them.
“it's much better than trying to outlaw this stuff or drive it underground because you'll just lose visibility and people will continue to use it”
Listen at 20:05
Control over customer funds determines whether an entity is a money transmitter.
“can you control customer funds yes you're a money transmitter if you can't no you're not”
Listen at 27:13
Software developers cannot be regulated as money transmitters merely for publishing transaction software.
“you can't regulate the guy who wrote software that other people use to move ethereum because that is information”
Listen at 30:34
Prosecuting Tornado Cash developers misallocates resources better used against human laundering networks.
“this is a misallocation of scarce government resources that could be much better spent going after actual human money laundering networks”
Listen at 36:20
Tornado Cash prosecution is not the effective answer to North Korean hacking.
“one little service that they've been using has never been that answer”
Listen at 37:34
Prosecuting Roman Storm would provide only a small anti-money-laundering benefit.
“the small anti-money laundering benefit you think you might get or anti-sanctions or sanctions evasion benefit you might get by prosecuting this guy”
Listen at 39:01
Innovation requires bold developers to test privacy technologies on Ethereum.
“we need to have bold people who try these technologies in novel places like the Ethereum blockchain”
Listen at 39:21
Tornado Cash was robustly built as an immutable privacy tool for general use.
“this was built in a very robust way to be immutable, to be just a privacy tool for anybody to use”
Listen at 41:31
Developers should understand the risks of the systems they build.
“you have to be aware of what you're building, not because you're scared of the government, but because if you want to build something valuable for this world, let's be real about what the risks are”
Listen at 44:42
Being hacked is the primary risk when building a protocol.
“the number one risk is you getting hacked whenever you're building something”
Listen at 45:16
Tornado Cash is among the few heavily used immutable systems that avoided hacking.
“they're one of the few that actually did an immutable and actually didn't get hacked”
Listen at 46:13
Proposed SEC exemptions would permit offerings up to $5 million or $75 million.
“it would allow a one-time offering of up to five mil over four years. and a second path that would allow companies to raise up to 75 mil in any 12-month period”
Listen at 47:18
The CFTC has comprehensive authority over U.S. derivatives markets.
“the CFTC has plenary authority over derivatives markets in the United States”
Listen at 59:56
The CFTC regulates commodity derivatives but not underlying commodity spot markets.
“the CFTC only handles commodities derivatives. It doesn't handle commodities markets.”
Listen at 1:00:51
The Clarity legislation would clarify CFTC authority over digital commodities.
“Part of the purpose of Clarity was to fix this in the digital commodity space”
Listen at 1:00:56
Protocols such as Uniswap are not currently subject to universal KYC requirements.
“that's not the current regime for something like Uniswap. That's not the current regime for a protocol.”
Listen at 1:04:49
Regulation should target money laundering rather than technology itself.
“You don't want to regulate a technology. You want to regulate to prevent money laundering.”
Listen at 1:06:54
Pseudonyms and zero-knowledge proofs may support market oversight without full identity disclosure.
“you might be able to do with pseudonyms or zero knowledge proofs or any number of other things”
Listen at 1:07:15
The CFTC likely has authority to create flexible crypto-market rules.
“CFTC probably has the statutory authority to craft a much more flexible rule”
Listen at 1:10:41
Uniswap pools are immutable.
“the immutable the uniswap pools are immutable”
Listen at 1:13:07
Immutable infrastructure should not be regulated like an intermediated delivery service.
“you'd be crazy to think that we should regulate pipes the same way we regulate a delivery van service”
Listen at 1:13:26
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