Sep 14, 2026 · 39 min
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Trump’s Ukraine pressure raises questions about Putin’s next move
221. Trump Just Gave Putin Exactly What He Wanted
The episode connects pressure on Ukraine, Russia’s tests of NATO, and the emerging political fight over AI safety.
- 1Trump’s demand that Ukraine stop striking Russian refineries overlooks the war’s causes and broader energy consequences.
- 2Russia’s actions around NATO and Europe suggest hybrid pressure can escalate while remaining below the threshold of open conflict.
- 3AI leaders’ calls for regulation expose a political tension between competing with China, protecting the public, and preserving industry momentum.
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The hosts connect Russia’s pressure below the threshold of open war with the danger that NATO’s silence could be interpreted as permission to escalate.
The brief
Katty Kay and Anthony Scaramucci examine Trump’s pressure on Ukraine to stop attacking Russian oil refineries, challenging his claim that those strikes drive wider energy problems.
The conversation turns to Russia’s tests of NATO and sabotage across Europe, asking whether Western restraint protects against direct war or invites more hybrid attacks.
The sharpest foreign-policy tension is whether Trump’s approach reflects political calculation, naivety, or Russian leverage—and whether Putin reads NATO’s silence as permission.
The episode then shifts to AI, where leaders including Dario Amodei call for safeguards while Trump emphasizes rapid development and competition with China.
The hosts weigh whether AI regulation could become a cross-partisan political opening, or whether industry support for rules is strategic self-protection.
What was said on this episode
27 statements · 4 positive · 21 negative · 2 neutral
Putin is testing the limits of U.S. tolerance.
“Putin is testing how far he can push the U.S. and Trump isn't just letting him.”
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Ukraine stopping attacks would threaten its civilization, culture, and language.
“If Ukraine stops its attacks, they're going to lose their civilization, their culture, their language.”
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Trump’s request gives Russia permission to continue attacking Ukraine.
“So Russia sees this as a permission slip from the president that they can go ahead and carry on attacking Ukraine and Ukraine's infrastructure while the American president asks its ally not to attack Russia.”
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Trump’s leadership failure caused the rise in diesel prices.
“the big thing is it's the failure of his leadership that has caused these prices.”
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Trump is focusing attention on Zelensky to distract from other problems.
“Trump being the master of distraction wants to focus on Zelensky.”
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The White House consistently blames Ukraine rather than Putin.
“every turn, it is... Zelensky and the Ukrainians that the White House blames, and it is not Vladimir Putin.”
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Scaramucci believes Trump is compromised by Russia.
“I think he's got compromise on him.”
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Kushner and Witkoff assume foreign countries will act purely from financial self-interest.
“they are assuming that those countries will act purely out of self-interest when it comes to money.”
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The Poland-border strike was a Russian test of Western credibility.
“I think the Poland border strike is actually a credibility test.”
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Moscow is testing whether the United States will respond.
“Moscow wants to see if there's going to be any U.S. response to what they're doing.”
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Putin fears a direct conflict with the United States.
“Putin is fearful of a direct conflict with the United States.”
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The United States could quickly achieve air superiority over western Russia.
“the United States, even in its decrepit munitions situation, would probably have full-on air superiority over the western side of Russia very quickly.”
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A Russian tank incursion into Lithuania is possible.
“it's not impossible that you have a Russian tank incursion in a place like Lithuania.”
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Russia is increasing attacks on NATO countries.
“they are definitely stepping up their attacks on NATO countries”
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Russia is more likely to use drones, hybrid warfare, and election subversion than invade Lithuania.
“what we're going to see more of are these, I don't know that a full-scale invasion because that feels… kind of redundant at this point, you can do an awful lot of damage, which is what the Russians are trying to do with drone attacks, with hybrid warfare, with subverting elections.”
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This week will be remembered as a turning point in AI politics.
“we will look back at this week as a turning point in the whole issue around AI and the politics around AI.”
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More than 300 House members would vote to disclose the Epstein files.
“There's over 300 members of the House that would vote on the disclosure of these files”
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Washington lacks sufficient capacity to regulate AI effectively.
“there is either enough political will enough institutional knowledge of what AI really is and what the risks are, and enough young people who get the tech to actually do anything.”
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Combining affordability with AI safety could create a popular political issue.
“combine affordability with a real push for AI safety and regulation, and you could make this a popular issue”
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AI developers can create language models that check and balance other models.
“They know they can create large language models that effectively check and balance.”
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Greater AI-market decentralization would reduce profit margins.
“more decentralization means that you'll have a flatter. profit scale, and you'll have less margins.”
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AI companies’ capital spending is excessively high.
“the CapEx spending for these companies is wildly out of control.”
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AI companies have upcoming IPOs that complicate their regulation claims.
“there are IPOs coming up and that complicates it”
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AI companies will continue their current course until regulation occurs.
“they will continue on course until regulated.”
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AI leaders may seek regulation to avoid political backlash shutting down the industry.
“they would need regulation because otherwise the concern is a kill switch or some kind of political backlash that shuts this whole thing down.”
Listen at 35:39
AI models may become too powerful for humans to shut down.
“these models may be now more powerful than that and won't let us shut them down.”
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Washington will not act on AI regulation soon.
“nothing will happen”
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