Oct 3, 2026 · 50 min

AI agents could redirect institutional money toward crypto

Is Bitcoin About to Shock Everyone in Q4? | Jordi Visser

The episode connects AI adoption, tokenized finance, and year-end portfolio decisions into a case for a potential Bitcoin-led market shift.

3 key takeaways

1Structural changes in housing and technology challenge pessimistic readings of the economy and markets.
2Personal AI agents may need crypto rails for payments, security, specialization, and financial-service integration.
3Institutional FOMO and a possible rotation from AI investments could strengthen Bitcoin and broader crypto exposure in the fourth quarter.

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Visser links personal AI assistants to crypto rails, arguing that agents’ need for payments and financial integration could accelerate adoption.

The brief

Jordi Visser challenges bearish macro narratives, arguing that housing, technology, demographics, and capital flows are undergoing structural changes that make familiar market signals less reliable.

The conversation treats AI as a continuing growth story, even as easy money fades: model costs are falling, compute remains contested, and specialized personal agents are proliferating.

Visser says personal assistants could make crypto more useful by linking agents to payments, tokenized assets, and financial services, with security and integration becoming competitive advantages.

The central market thesis arrives late: institutional allocators may increase crypto exposure near year-end through ETFs, digital-asset treasury companies, and ecosystem projects.

Anthony and Visser then consider a rotation from AI into crypto, while Visser argues broader ecosystem exposure could outperform Bitcoin alone during some stages of the cycle.

What was said on this episode

27 statements · 17 positive · 7 negative · 3 neutral

Jordi Visseron Crypto marketsPositive1:04
Crypto FOMO will intensify soon.
“FOMO is going to start to kick in very, very soon.”
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Jordi Visseron BitcoinPositive1:07
Bitcoin above $82,000 confirmed a bull trend.
“when Bitcoin got above $82,000, that was the confirmation of the bull trend.”
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Jordi Visseron Home buildersNegative4:37
Home builders will face persistent difficulty.
“I think home builders are going to have a tough time forever.”
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Jordi Visseron AI tradeNeutral9:55
The AI trade has no interest-rate sensitivity.
“there is absolutely no sensitivity for rates in the AI trade.”
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Jordi Visseron Consumer staples and utilitiesNegative10:49
Consumer staples and utilities hit 52-week lows as bond rates rise.
“they're trading at 52 week lows because who wants to own a consumer staples and a utility when they're basically just synthetic bond positions when bond rates are going higher.”
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Jordi Visseron AI token pricesNegative14:07
AI token costs will continue declining.
“The token cost is deflationary. It's going to continue to come down.”
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Jordi Visseron Agentic AI token usagePositive14:30
Agentic AI token usage will surge dramatically.
“The token numbers are going to explode.”
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Jordi Visseron OpenAI and AnthropicNegative15:03
OpenAI and Anthropic have passed peak growth rates.
“Do I think their growth rate has already passed the fastest point? Absolutely.”
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Jordi Visseron OpenAI versus Anthropic revenue growthPositive15:23
OpenAI and Anthropic revenue will exceed total software revenue this year.
“The total revenue for this year that OpenAI and Anthropic will have at the end of this year will be greater than the entire software revenue.”
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Jordi Visseron OpenAI versus Anthropic revenue growthNegative15:46
OpenAI and Anthropic will not reach $1 trillion revenue.
“Do I think they're going to get to a trillion dollars in revenue? Absolutely not.”
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Jordi Visseron OpenAI and AnthropicPositive19:29
OpenAI and Anthropic will continue growing.
“there is no way that OpenAI and Anthropic don't continue to grow.”
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Jordi Visseron Apple and Meta personal AIPositive26:45
Apple will provide more secure personal AI than Meta.
“Who do I think is going to be better at security, Apple or Meta? I'm going to go with Apple.”
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Jordi Visseron Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Citibank tokenization and stablecoinsPositive31:16
Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and Citibank are pursuing tokenization and stablecoins.
“They're racing for tokenization. They're racing for stablecoins”
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Jordi Visseron Crypto marketsPositive33:54
Crypto FOMO will intensify soon.
“FOMO's gonna start to kick in very, very soon.”
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Jordi Visseron Crypto marketsPositive34:05
Crypto is about to accelerate significantly.
“I think we're at a point where this stuff is about to kind of take off”
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Jordi Visseron Large allocators and decision-makersNeutral38:00
Large allocators make major next-year decisions late in the year.
“Large allocators and decision-makers make really important decisions for the following calendar year.”
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Jordi Visseron AltcoinsPositive39:00
Altcoins will continue exhibiting beta to crypto market movements.
“the beta is going to continue to show up in the altcoins”
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Anthony Pomplianoon AI profits and BitcoinPositive39:20
AI profits will rotate back into Bitcoin.
“it's going to be glorious when the AI profits rotate back into Bitcoin.”
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Anthony Pomplianoon AI-related public companies entering cryptoPositive40:15
AI-related public companies will increasingly enter crypto by 2027.
“One of my predictions for 2027 is you're gonna start to see an assault of public markets where people, they may be an AI, you know, related business, they're gonna start trying to do crypto stuff.”
Listen at 40:15
Jordi Visseron Visser Labs 46 Name IndexNeutral42:16
The crypto ecosystem index contains 46 names.
“46 names.”
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Anthony Pomplianoon Viscera Labs 46 Name Index and BitcoinPositive42:36
The 46-name index gained 50% year-to-date while Bitcoin fell 3.2%.
“The Viscera Labs 46 Name Index is up year-to-date 50%. Bitcoin is down 3.2% as of the close yesterday.”
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Jordi Visseron Tokenized agentic investingPositive43:14
Tokenized agentic investing will become available within a year.
“The future is to give... both individual investors and asset managers what they're going to be able to do within a year, which is some kind of tokenized way to do this agentically.”
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Jordi Visseron Agentic trading of the 46-name indexPositive44:05
An agent can equal-weight and trade all 46 index constituents within seconds.
“An agent can go out and do all 46 names, equal weight the whole thing, and then you have it done within seconds.”
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Anthony Pomplianoon Agentic investingNegative44:30
Agentic investing adoption will be slower than widely claimed.
“I do not think it will happen as fast as everyone claims it will.”
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Jordi Visseron Wealth advisors and wealth management firmsNegative47:00
Wealth advisors and firms will face severe pressure within a year.
“every wealth advisor, every wealth management firm is gonna be in a very, very difficult position a year from now.”
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Jordi Visseron stocksPositive47:26
Stocks will be tokenized.
“Stocks are going to be tokenized for sure.”
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Jordi Visseron Crypto and token volumesPositive47:58
Tokenization, stablecoins, and AI agents will drive crypto volumes sharply higher.
“I see the crypto volumes, the token volumes going through the roof because of tokenization and because of stablecoin payments, because of AI agents.”
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