Oct 15, 2026 · 23 min
AI market fears spread from stocks to credit
The AI boom stumbles
The episode tests whether mounting stress around AI financing signals a broader bust or a routine correction in a speculative market.
- 1Technology stocks and bonds weakened as investors sought safer assets, including US Treasuries, despite hot inflation data.
- 2CoreWeave’s elevated credit-default-swap costs sharpened questions about whether AI infrastructure companies can produce durable profits.
- 3Defensive options include shorter-maturity government bonds, cash, and less technology-heavy equities, though none offers a perfect hedge.
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The hosts unpack why CoreWeave’s unusually expensive credit-default swaps may reveal doubts about whether AI infrastructure can generate sustainable profits.
The brief
A sell-off in Asian technology stocks, weaker technology bonds and a softer dollar contrast with a rally in US Treasuries, suggesting investors are seeking safety as confidence in the AI trade falters.
CoreWeave becomes the episode’s market test: risks in the data-center boom were visible, but Brannin McBee’s comments about attracting conservative institutional money helped turn concern into a catalyst.
Katie Martin explains why CoreWeave’s costly credit-default swaps matter, while the hosts debate whether rising protection costs reflect genuine doubts about AI profits or speculation in a volatile market.
The proposed defenses are deliberately imperfect: shorter-maturity government bonds, cash and less technology-heavy equities may reduce exposure without eliminating the risk of an AI bust.
Rob Armstrong rejects the K-shaped economy as an overextended story, while Katie Martin’s closing objection to feeding chicken to farmed salmon supplies an unexpectedly concrete coda.
What was said on this episode
15 statements · 6 positive · 6 negative · 1 mixed · 2 neutral
Speculative markets eventually stop rising, but timing is uncertain.
“everyone knows the tree can't grow to the sky. But no one knows when it's going to stop.”
Listen at 5:24
CoreWeave’s high CDS spread signals costly default protection demand.
“1,100 basis points is a lot, and it's not good, and it means that investors are willing to pay up quite a lot of money to protect themselves in the event that Corweave defaults on its bonds.”
Listen at 10:23
AI industry profitability would make its debt problems irrelevant.
“If the AI industry at large turns out to make loads and loads of money, by selling either access to these models or by selling services that are built on top of them or whatever else.”
Listen at 11:25
If AI is not profitable, its financing will become irrelevant amid collapse.
“If the answer is no, also the finance won't kind of matter because the whole thing's going to be a smoldering pile of rubble.”
Listen at 12:02
Credit-default swap costs have risen across technology bonds.
“there's also been a big pickup in CDS across all of these different tech bonds.”
Listen at 12:33
The AI-related market has not yet experienced a collapse.
“The bottom is not falling out as of yet.”
Listen at 14:47
Investors should buy high-quality government bonds as protection.
“buy government bonds. Like, you know, good, safe government bonds that are definitely going to pay you back.”
Listen at 15:40
Five-year government bonds offer attractive yields with lower inflation risk.
“you can get a very nice one on a five-year. bond, right? And that's a little safer from the point of view of your inflation risks.”
Listen at 16:20
Bonds may perform poorly if an AI-bubble collapse produces stagflation.
“if the other side of this is stagflationary, meaning we have low growth and our little inflation problem continues, we've just taken the growth out because the AI bubble has popped, bonds aren't going to do that great.”
Listen at 16:36
Investors are buying low-technology equity markets to hedge an AI-trade collapse.
“one way that investors say they are protecting themselves for the event that the AI trade goes belly up is to buy into parts of the global stock market that have just not got very much tech in them.”
Listen at 17:05
Non-AI equity markets have substantial commodity and bank exposure.
“A lot of these non-AI markets, they have a lot of commodity exposure and a lot of bank exposure.”
Listen at 18:20
An AI-bubble collapse could significantly damage global growth.
“if the AI bubble turns out to be a bubble and pops, Is that going to kneecap global growth?”
Listen at 18:36
AI build-out funding will support markets temporarily despite high risks.
“I think this is a good time to be having the kind of conversations you and I just had. I think the risks are high. But I think because there is a lot of money kind of locked in right now to the AI build out, that will support things for the time being.”
Listen at 19:15
Evidence does not support the K-shaped US economy theory.
“the best evidence shows is not true.”
Listen at 20:52
US economic inequality does not appear to be increasing substantially.
“it doesn't seem to be getting that much more unequal.”
Listen at 21:02
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