Oct 3, 2026 · 1h 17m
Bond yields test investors as markets hide deeper weakness
Time To Buy Bonds? | Lance Roberts
The episode weighs whether elevated yields offer durable income and diversification while fiscal risks, uncertain inflation, and concentrated equity gains complicate the outlook.
- 1Elevated yields may improve long-term bond opportunities, but fiscal sustainability and uncertain inflation keep duration risks significant.
- 2Large technology stocks are supporting headline indexes while equal-weighted markets and several defensive sectors show weaker underlying breadth.
- 3Individual bonds, municipal debt, holding to maturity, and early year-end planning can make portfolio decisions more predictable and tax-aware.
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The brief
Adam Taggart and Lance Roberts open with fiscal discipline, debt sustainability, and a warning that political resistance makes spending restraint difficult.
They debate whether AI, infrastructure, energy capacity, and economic growth can make debt more productive—or whether the investment boom ultimately disappoints.
Weak payroll growth, revised inflation data, oil risks, and the Federal Reserve’s next decision frame a market where rates may stay restrictive.
Roberts argues that strong headline indexes conceal weakness beneath concentrated technology leadership, with small caps, real estate, utilities, and staples lagging.
The practical case for bonds arrives through individual issues, municipal debt, holding to maturity, tax-loss selling, and avoiding long duration when cash is needed soon.
The episode closes with a planned portfolio rebalance and a reminder to begin tax, retirement, and investment planning before year-end bottlenecks.
What was said on this episode
35 statements · 19 positive · 15 negative · 1 neutral
Investors worried about a massive bear market should buy bonds.
“If you're really worried about a massive bear market, I'd be buying bonds.”
Listen at 0:55
Government spending contributes substantially to economic growth.
“most of the economic growth comes from that spending.”
Listen at 5:32
Strong economic growth is improving the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio.
“our debt to GDP ratio is a function that's actually improving because we're getting a lot of very strong economic growth.”
Listen at 7:53
Third-quarter economic growth is 5 percent.
“Economic growth in the third quarter is 5 percent.”
Listen at 7:59
Productive government spending could create stronger economic growth.
“if the government would focus more on productive spending in the economy, you could create stronger economic growth”
Listen at 11:36
Some emerging companies will become major future AI players.
“There's lots of emerging companies that are coming right now that are going to be probably very major players in AI in the future.”
Listen at 14:26
Pessimistic investors substantially underperform more optimistic investors.
“pessimistic people underperform by a large degree relative to people that have a more optimistic outlook for markets and futures”
Listen at 15:10
Markets rise approximately 75 percent of the time.
“markets are up 75% of the time”
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International markets will have slower future economic growth rates.
“their growth rates are going to be slower in the future economically speaking”
Listen at 18:25
Insufficient AI investment will leave some countries far behind.
“they're not making these investments into AI, which is going to leave them, you know, very far behind the curve”
Listen at 19:20
An economy cannot grow under a gold standard.
“you can't grow an economy on a gold standard.”
Listen at 23:35
The Federal Reserve is making a mistake by raising rates now.
“the Fed is making a mistake by hiking here”
Listen at 25:42
Recent employment reports have been consistently weak.
“we've had a whole string of very weak employment reports overall”
Listen at 28:32
The labor market is experiencing very little hiring or firing.
“we're seeing that in the jolts rate. We look at quits and layoffs, those type of things. There's basically nobody hiring, nobody firing.”
Listen at 29:06
Labor hoarding is disinflationary over time.
“that's certainly disinflationary over time.”
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The Federal Reserve may hold rates at its next meeting.
“I think that it won't surprise me if they hold rates at the next meeting”
Listen at 32:11
Lower oil prices would produce lower inflation over the next year.
“if oil prices come down, the rate of inflation is going to be lower over the next 12 months rather than higher.”
Listen at 34:04
Higher interest rates are not currently affecting major technology companies.
“higher interest rates aren't impacting these companies at all.”
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The market’s net trajectory is likely upward.
“I think it's upwards, uh, is the net trajectory.”
Listen at 42:41
Political gridlock after midterm elections would benefit markets.
“If we get gridlock in the midterm elections, that's going to be good. That's going to be bullish for the markets”
Listen at 44:33
Markets will move higher through year-end.
“the next move in the markets is going to be a move higher through year end.”
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Current 5-percent bond yields are attractive but unlikely to persist.
“with yields at 5%, this is a gift. And we want to take advantage of that gift because you're not going to keep that for very long.”
Listen at 46:11
Lance plans to sell losses and increase portfolio bond duration.
“I'm going to take the loss in that and then increase duration.”
Listen at 46:38
Lance plans to raise 20-year bond exposure from 5% to 7–8%.
“I'm probably going to go from 5% 30 years to 7% to 8% 20 year duration.”
Listen at 46:47
High valuations imply stock returns near zero over the next decade.
“with valuations very high, that returns on stocks over the next 10 years are probably going to be somewhere between zero, say positive two and negative 2%.”
Listen at 55:08
Treasury bonds currently yield 5 percent versus 2 percent for equities.
“I can buy treasury bonds today at 5% versus a 2% yield in equities.”
Listen at 55:19
Ten-year bonds are preferable to stocks when bonds yield 5 percent and stocks return 2 percent or less.
“Why would I not buy a 10-year bond today? I can lock in 5% where my forward return expectations on stocks are 2% or less.”
Listen at 55:32
Holding an individual Treasury bond to maturity avoids realizing market-value losses.
“I haven't lost any money in my treasury bond as long as I don't knee-jerk sell it in the market.”
Listen at 55:59
Investors needing funds within five years should not buy 20-year Treasuries.
“Don't buy a 20 year treasure if you need your money in five years.”
Listen at 57:50
Bond-fund and bond-ETF investors must correctly predict interest-rate direction.
“If you're going to buy a bond fund or a bond ETF, you better be right about the direction of rates.”
Listen at 58:56
Individual Treasury bonds return 100 percent of principal at maturity regardless of rate movements.
“At maturity, regardless of what interest rates do, up, down, to the moon, to the floor, you get 100% of your money back regardless.”
Listen at 59:24
Higher interest rates increasingly affect the economy, markets, and wealth.
“The higher rates go, the more impact you have on the economy, on markets, on wealth”
Listen at 1:05:53
Past extreme Treasury-yield deviations preceded declines in yields.
“every one of those preceded a drop in yields.”
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State-tax exemption for municipal bonds requires buying bonds from one’s state.
“if you want to also exempt from state income taxes, you have to buy your state specific muni.”
Listen at 1:10:29
Delaying required minimum distributions risks missing deadlines and incurring penalties.
“you run a risk of missing that window and there's a huge penalty for that.”
Listen at 1:15:04
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