Jun 12, 2026 · 3h 1m
Cameron Hanes warns modern political pressures threaten traditional wildlife conservation
#2514 - Cameron Hanes
The debate over hunting rights and conservation funding directly impacts the preservation of public lands and the future of wildlife management.
- 1Regulated hunting remains a critical but increasingly contested pillar of funding for North American wildlife conservation.
- 2The rise of peptide therapies is challenging traditional regulatory frameworks for athletic injury recovery and physical longevity.
- 3Government spending priorities and shifting public perceptions present growing hurdles for outdoor advocacy and land management.
The brief
Host Joe Rogan sits down with extreme bowhunter and author Cameron Hanes to dissect the increasingly complex intersection of wildlife conservation, hunting rights, and public land management.
The discussion highlights how modern wildlife management faces growing political pressure, threatening traditional conservation funding models that rely heavily on regulated hunting.
Beyond the wilderness, the conversation shifts to human performance, exploring the rise of peptide therapies for injury recovery and the controversial regulations governing athletic recovery.
What was said on this episode
65 statements · 23 positive · 34 negative · 2 mixed · 6 neutral
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People should leave mountain summits when thunderstorms appear nearby.
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Alligators are vastly overpopulated and should be killed.
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Wild animals appear to experience fewer infections than humans and farm animals.
“Animals don't seem to get a whole lot of infections like we do, unless they're farm animals.”
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Alligator hunting should probably be resumed.
“And they should probably start that again.”
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“When I take, like, full days, like, days off, I feel so much better.”
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Black bear meat is edible, contrary to a common belief.
“black bear is not an edible meat. And that is. That is incorrect.”
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Rendered bear fat is effective for searing steaks.
“It's great for searing steaks”
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Bear meat is superior and widely misjudged as poor-quality food.
“bear was superior meat. So people. People have fallen into this trap of, like, believing that bear meat isn't good. And it's amazing.”
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California has too many mountain lions because they are insufficiently managed.
“there's way too many of them. They're all over California because they don't manage them.”
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The roadless-area proposal primarily serves resource extraction or development.
“They care about resource extraction or development.”
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The National Forest Service already needs ten billion dollars for failing-road work.
“The National Forest Service already has $10 billion of road work they need to do on roads that are failing right now.”
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Eighty-five to ninety percent of fires start within half a mile of roads.
“85 to 90% of fires are started within a half mile of a road.”
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Humans cause about ninety percent of fires.
“Cause 90% of the time it's human.”
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Cameron Hanes says 99% of the public opposes the roadless rule change.
“And 99% of the public oppose it.”
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Biologists should decide hunting policy, while politicians should not decide land-use policy.
“I want biologists making the decision on hunting 100%. I don't want politicians making the decision on, on land use.”
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Experts should make land-use decisions rather than politicians.
“let's have experts in the field decide these things.”
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Giving away or selling public land will lead to further public-land disposals.
“As soon as they start giving away some of it or selling away some of it, they'll. They'll keep going.”
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The government should run the country rather than provide entertainment.
“We hire the government to run our country, not entertain us.”
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Outdoor heat and humidity will alter grappling and reduce fighters’ endurance.
“It's Going to affect the grappling. It's going to be like hot oil wrestling. Everyone's going to be sweaty as. Yeah, it's going to be completely different than. And also your endurance is going to be less.”
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Grapplers should compete in an air-conditioned arena at approximately 72 degrees.
“Most grapplers would prefer an air conditioned arena like normal. It should be fucking 72 degrees just like it always is.”
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Non-ideal conditions are especially harmful because fighters have short careers and losses are devastating.
“A fighter's career is very short, a loss is devastating, and to not have perfect conditions to fight in, I think it's crazy.”
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Joe Rogan assesses that Donald Trump has good intentions in building a White House ballroom.
“He wants to build this ballroom because he wants, like he has good intentions in terms of America.”
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The Trump administration has advanced peptide policy and eliminated some unnecessary food dyes.
“They've made a lot of headway with, with, with peptides. They made a lot of headway with eliminating some of these unnecessary food dyes”
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Joe Rogan says glyphosate’s effects on health and the immune system remain unknown.
“We don't know how much it's affecting you. What is it taking away from your immune system?”
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Joe Rogan attributes polio cases or symptoms to DDT exposure.
“It's DDT. Yeah, yeah, it's DDT that.”
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Joe Rogan says weather-modification programs can seed clouds and cause floods.
“They do cloud seeding. They cause floods.”
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Joe Rogan says Abu Dhabi uses cloud seeding to produce weekly rain.
“Abu Dhabi makes it rain every week with cloud seeding.”
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Joe Rogan warns atmospheric cooling could trigger an ice age and mass death.
“What if this starts the next ice age and everybody dies?”
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Cameron Hanes says the roadless rule protects 45 million acres.
“we don't want to get rid of of the 45 million acres that, that are going to be protected with the roadless rule.”
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Cameron Hanes says six former Big Bend superintendents oppose the border project.
“Six former superintendents of Big Bend national park penned a letter to Mullen urging him not take such a step. So again, not listening to the experts.”
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Public money should not be spent on contracts awarded without competitive bidding.
“You're spending public money. You can't just spend public money without a bid.”
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Joe Rogan says Boquillas is the only legal border crossing inside Big Bend National Park.
“The only legal port of entry actually inside the park is Boquillas crossing.”
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Cameron Hanes says restrictions on ranching, hunting, and fishing would increase dependence on centralized meat suppliers.
“if we can get rid of ranchers hunting and fishing, don't need the guns, don't need to be killing stuff. Then you're just like, we'll provide the meat for you.”
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Cameron Hanes predicts Oregon’s animal-welfare initiative will not become law.
“this thing won't, won't make it into law for sure.”
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Joe Rogan assesses that most nonprofit organizations are scams.
“most non profits are a scam”
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Joe Rogan alleges Bill Gates made $500 million from COVID-vaccine investments and says the vaccine failed.
“he made $500 million allegedly. Off the COVID vaccine, off of his investments in this vaccine. It didn't even fucking work.”
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Joe Rogan says U.S. nonprofit hospitals made $45 billion in profit.
“Nonprofit hospitals were making $45 billion worth of profit.”
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Joe Rogan says 86% of nonprofit hospitals provided little or no charity.
“found that 86% of them provided little or no charity.”
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Joe Rogan says the Pentagon has never passed an audit.
“the Pentagon's never passed an audit once.”
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Colorado Initiative 302 would make hunting and fishing constitutional rights.
“it's going to make hunting and fish fishing in Colorado a constitutional right.”
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Cameron Hanes says his previously broken foot has healed.
“my foot's healed”
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Road races should distinguish regular runners from elite athletes for drug-testing requirements.
“there should be, in my opinion, two categories”
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The Eugene Marathon and Cocodona 250 waivers omitted USATF and drug-testing requirements.
“the waivers mention liability and insurance things. Doesn't mention anything about USATF or drug testing”
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BPC-157 is prohibited for Olympians but permitted for ordinary people.
“BPC157 is banned for Olympians. Not for a regular person. Regular people can take it.”
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USATF event materials must state that athletes may undergo formal drug testing.
“it must say, this. This athlete who participate in this compet in this competition may be subjected to formal drug testing”
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Athletes may use THC under rules but cannot take it on competition day.
“you can't take thc, you know, I mean, they say you can take it, but not on the day of competition”
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BPC-157 taken two years earlier could not have helped win Hanes's marathon.
“there's no chance that helped you win a marathon two years later”
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Many people use peptides because they believe peptides help heal injuries.
“a giant percentage of people right now are taking peptides because they're very beneficial to help heal injuries”
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High aerobic capacity and low body weight are required for elite marathon performance.
“A huge engine, a light body”
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COVID-19 vaccines were less safe and effective than authorities claimed.
“turned out like it wasn't as safe and effective as they said”
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Ultra-running and running organizations should accommodate peptide-based treatments.
“the sport of ultra needs to also and running needs to be on board with that”
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Bear populations should be controlled because they reduce moose, deer, and elk populations by killing calves.
“They have to be controlled. They are devastating the moose and deer and elk population up there because they kill all the calves.”
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Changing British Columbia's grizzly-hunting law caused grizzly populations to increase substantially.
“when they changed that law in B.C. they made it a disaster up there. There's so many grizzly now.”
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Everyone needs electrolytes.
“Everybody does need electrolytes. Let's wrap it up.”
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The Roadless Rule should remain intact.
“roadless rule needs to keep stay intact”
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