Oct 26, 2026 · 2h 13m
Congressional UFO inquiry weighs its next witness
Jake Barber: Burlison’s Next Move in UFO Disclosure?
The episode tests whether new personnel and alleged evidence can move UFO disclosure beyond testimony, speculation, and heavily redacted releases.
- 1Jake Barber’s possible role in Eric Burlison’s investigation raises questions about what follows David Grusch’s departure.
- 2Claims involving crash retrievals, nonhuman bodies, and body-camera footage remain constrained by the gap between testimony and verification.
- 3The discussion pairs disclosure politics with warnings about media narratives, unverifiable claims, online toxicity, and accountability.
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Andy McGrillen connects Jake Barber to the possibility of an investigative role associated with David Grusch, while the hosts debate what that shift would establish.
The brief
Andy McGrillen and Pavel open with reports that Eric Burlison’s investigative effort may add Jake Barber or another UFO figure after David Grusch’s departure.
The hosts examine alleged crash-retrieval footage, nonhuman bodies, and possible body-camera evidence, separating reported testimony from material that could be independently verified.
They revisit Skywatcher’s shift toward psionics, questions around unreleased data, and the credibility of AARO and recent UAP disclosures.
Diana Pasulka’s critique of Jay Stratton’s book becomes a case study in the gap between what witnesses observe and what they conclude it means.
The conversation widens into skepticism about channeling and unverifiable claims, alongside warnings about allegations, online toxicity, exploitation, and mental health in ufology.
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