Oct 11, 2026 · 3h 12m
Doctors challenge America’s processed-food health system
Get Healthy, with Dr. Casey Means and Dr. Mark Hyman
The episode connects personal health choices to metabolic dysfunction, environmental exposure, medical incentives, and the food policies shaping American households.
- 1Metabolic health depends on cellular energy, food quality, movement, sleep, and personalized measurements rather than one universal diet.
- 2Ultra-processed foods, refined oils, sugar, pesticides, and disrupted gut health are presented as interconnected risks shaped by industrial systems.
- 3Functional medicine seeks root causes and prevention, but changing entrenched medical and food institutions requires evidence, policy reform, and practical household choices.
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Mark Hyman’s discussion moves from individual diet choices to a broader diagnosis of how food companies, policy, and agricultural systems shape health.
The brief
Megyn Kelly revisits conversations with Casey Means and Mark Hyman on metabolic health, asking how food, sleep, movement, toxins, and medical systems shape chronic disease.
Means argues that “good energy” begins with cellular and metabolic function, then turns the discussion toward ultra-processed food, pesticides, refined oils, and practical household changes.
Hyman expands the frame from personal biomarkers and nutrient deficiencies to regenerative agriculture, food-industry influence, school lunches, and policy choices that shape what Americans can afford.
The episode’s central tension is whether individualized data and functional medicine can improve prevention while institutions remain organized around disease treatment and industrial food.
The most useful moments are concrete: walking after meals, improving food sourcing, reducing household exposures, restoring gut health, and cleaning out a pantry without chasing dietary perfection.
What was said on this episode
66 statements · 27 positive · 36 negative · 1 mixed · 2 neutral
Metabolic dysfunction underlies nearly every chronic disease affecting Americans.
“metabolic dysfunction is the root cause of nearly every chronic disease torturing American lives today”
Listen at 4:56
Improved cellular metabolic health can improve many chronic conditions.
“When our cells make good energy, i.e. have good metabolic health. So many of the conditions that are plaguing us can improve.”
Listen at 6:29
Modern environments mismatch cellular requirements, harming health.
“there is a severe mismatch between what our cells need to thrive and work properly and what our environment looks like right now”
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Americans spend about 80% of their day sitting.
“Americans are literally sitting. 80% of the day”
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Ultra-processed foods provide about 70% of Americans’ calories.
“70% of our calories are coming from ultra-processed, industrially manufactured”
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Curcumin decreases expression of the inflammatory pathway NF-kappa B.
“Curcumin actually goes into our cells. It binds to proteins within the cells and changes the expression, decreases the expression of our key inflammatory pathway”
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Most NIH researchers reportedly have industry conflicts of interest.
“80% of NIH researchers have a conflict of interest with industry”
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Pharmaceutical companies provide 75% of the FDA drug budget.
“75% of the FDA's drug budget coming from pharma, not taxpayers”
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Rising Ozempic prescribing coincides with rising obesity rates.
“The more Ozempic we're prescribing, the more obesity rates are going up.”
Listen at 24:24
Pharmaceutical companies provide about 60% of mainstream media advertising funding.
“around 60% of mainstream media's advertising funding is coming from the pharmaceutical industry”
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COVID-19 was fundamentally a metabolic disease.
“COVID was really fundamentally a metabolic disease”
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Young-adult cancer incidence has increased 79%.
“Young adult cancers are up 79%.”
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People should replace ultra-processed foods with local, unprocessed foods.
“we need to move away from ultra-processed foods and start eating real foods, unprocessed foods that are grown in good soil, ideally local”
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Most meals should include fiber, omega-3s, probiotics, protein, antioxidants, and micronutrients.
“in most of our meals, we have a fiber source. We have an omega-3 source. We have a probiotic source, a really healthy protein source, and some source of really good antioxidants and micronutrients.”
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The average food item travels about 1,500 miles before consumption.
“the average piece of food travels 1500 miles now from the soil to our plate”
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Organic produce is beneficial compared with non-organic produce.
“it is absolutely beneficial for it to be organic”
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Pesticides are linked to cancer, autoimmune disease, behavioral problems, and endocrine disruption.
“We know that a lot of these pesticides are linked to cancer, autoimmune disease, behavioral issues, endocrine disruption and hormone disruption.”
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Freezing preserves nutrients in produce and meat.
“Freezing is actually a great way to preserve nutrients in both fresh produce and also in meats.”
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Pesticides are linked to multiple neurological, reproductive, endocrine, and liver conditions.
“pesticides are linked to ADHD, to thyroid disease, to sperm dysfunction, female infertility, male infertility, cancer, autism, liver disease”
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Diet controversies distract from eating high-quality, minimally processed food.
“the diet wars are a distraction from what matters which is eating high quality nutrient filled non-chemically laden food”
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People should check basic metabolic biomarkers several times annually.
“check your biomarkers every two to three times a year”
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Lower resting heart rate is associated with better cardiac outcomes.
“the lower our resting heart rate is, sort of the better our cardiac outcomes are being”
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Continuous glucose monitoring provides ongoing information about metabolic status.
“tracking your blood sugar can give you this basically constant movie of what's happening with this key metabolic biomarker”
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Large blood-sugar spikes can promote inflammation and glycation.
“Big blood sugar spikes can lead to problems like inflammation and sugar sticking to things in the body”
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Plastics and pesticides can disrupt estrogen-receptor signaling.
“Plastics and pesticides can disrupt estrogen receptor signaling”
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People should add brief movement breaks throughout the day alongside exercise.
“we want to be exercising, but also sprinkling little two minute bursts of motion throughout the day”
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Humans spend about 94% of their time indoors or in cars.
“Humans are spending about 94% of their time inside a house or inside a car”
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Thermal receipt ink can disrupt endocrine function.
“The thermal ink on receipts actually is an endocrine disrupting chemical”
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Microplastics are present in 55% of examined arterial plaques.
“55% of plaques are now filled with microplastics”
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Functional medicine focuses on identifying and addressing disease root causes.
“functional medicine is about identifying the root causes”
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Creating health can cause disease to resolve as a secondary effect.
“when you create health, disease goes away as a side effect”
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Diet and environmental toxins are the two main causes of illness.
“The two things that make us sick are our diet and environmental toxins.”
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Drug-centered medicine cannot solve chronic disease by itself.
“the old model of looking for a drug for every disease or a pill for every ill is not going to solve the problem”
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Alzheimer’s disease is linked to brain insulin resistance and called type 3 diabetes.
“pre-diabetes are calling Alzheimer's Type 3 diabetes”
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Each 10-percentage-point increase in ultra-processed food raises mortality risk 14%.
“For every 10% of your diet that's ultra-processed food, your risk of death goes up by 14%.”
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Sardines are highly nutrient-dense foods.
“sardines are one of the superfoods out there”
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Over 30% of teenagers have prediabetes or type 2 diabetes.
“30-plus percent of teenagers have prediabetes or type 2 diabetes”
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Industrial farms can be converted to regenerative agriculture at scale.
“There is a way out. And it's been demonstrated. The science is there. The economics are there. To convert farms. that are industrial farms to regenerative farms. And that can be done at scale.”
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Removing harmful inputs and adding beneficial ones enables the body’s healing processes.
“when you take out the bad stuff, you put in the good stuff, which is essentially what functional medicine is, the body knows what to do”
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A ketogenic diet can cure schizophrenia.
“you could cure schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet”
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The industrial ultra-processed American diet is the leading health problem.
“I think it's our diet. Ultra-processed foods? Yeah. It's the takeover of the American food supply by the industrial food system.”
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Sugar and starch are the main dietary culprits.
“I think it's sugar and starch.”
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The body metabolically treats refined cereal similarly to sugar.
“below the neck, your body cannot tell the difference between a bowl of cereal or a bowl of sugar”
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White bread produces a sugar-like metabolic effect.
“when you eat white bread. you're basically eating sugar”
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About 14% of adults and children meet biological food-addiction criteria.
“14% of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food”
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Teaching families to cook one healthy meal could transform public health.
“we're one meal away from transforming society”
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A high-fat ketogenic diet can stop medication-resistant seizures.
“if you took away all the sugar and starch and you increased fat to like 75%, you could actually stop seizures”
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Restricting carbohydrates and increasing fat can reverse metabolic dysfunction.
“we can actually reverse what is predominantly a carbohydrate intolerant society”
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Cancer cells depend primarily on sugar for energy.
“cancer runs on sugar”
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One patient’s ketogenic diet improved lipids, weight, and prediabetes.
“Her cholesterol dropped 100 points. Her triglycerides dropped 200 points. HDL went up 30 points. She lost 25 pounds, and she felt great. And her prediabetes went away.”
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Ketogenic diets can reverse 60–70% of type 2 diabetes cases.
“you can reverse up to 60% to 70% of type 2 diabetes”
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Emerging evidence suggests saturated fats are less harmful than traditionally believed.
“there's a tremendous amount of emerging data that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were”
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Obesity and diabetes rates have tripled over the relevant period.
“we've tripled the obesity rates. We've tripled the diabetes rates.”
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Hyman’s ten-day detox program reportedly reduces disease symptoms by 70%.
“in 10 days, There's a 70% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases”
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Higher disease among historical meat eaters reflected unhealthy behaviors beyond meat consumption.
“the meat eaters in those studies, they ate 800 calories more a day. They drank more. They didn't eat their fruits and vegetables. They ate more sugar. They didn't exercise. They smoked.”
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Other countries use more effective front-of-package food labeling.
“in other countries, they have better front of package labeling”
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The Trump administration is attempting food-policy reforms that Hyman hopes will succeed.
“The Trump administration is trying to do. I hope they succeed.”
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RFK Jr.’s reforms may succeed with presidential support and achievable initial goals.
“if President Trump gets behind him and supports him, I think if he's able to get clear on what his objectives are, if he's able to sort of get on the low-hanging fruit and have the easy wins, I think they'll win”
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When affordability limits choices, real food is preferable to processed food over organic certification.
“I would always choose the... Their relative sins. Yeah, the real food versus the processed food.”
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Repeated COVID vaccination reportedly caused greater myocarditis risk than COVID among young adults.
“young adults who got vaccinated more than once had a greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than they got from COVID”
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No medical intervention is completely safe or completely effective.
“Nothing in medicine is safe and 100% effective or 100% safe.”
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Cancer rates are increasing.
“We are seeing increasing cancer rates.”
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Rising early-onset colon cancer may be related to diet-driven microbiome changes and bacterial toxins.
“My view is that it's related to the change in our microbiome from our diet and from the increased load of bacterial toxins.”
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Antibiotic resistance kills about 700,000 people annually.
“antibiotic resistance. It kills 700,000 people a year.”
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Probiotics, healthy food, phytochemicals, and fiber can restore the microbiome after antibiotics.
“If you take probiotics, if you eat healthy diet, if you feed your microbiome phytochemicals and fiber, it can come back.”
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People should avoid foods they cannot recognize or make from familiar kitchen ingredients.
“if it's a food that you can't recognize or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it”
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Books & mentions
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Good Energy
Casey Means’s book develops the episode’s argument that cellular and metabolic health underpin overall well-being.
Food Fix: How to Save Our Health, Our Economy, Our Communities, and Our Planet—One Bite at a Time
Mark Hyman’s book extends the conversation into food policy, agriculture, chronic disease, and environmental reform.