Oct 21, 2026 · 1h 10m
AI borrowing tests whether market weakness signals deeper trouble
It's a Bloodbath (EP. 487)
The episode examines whether falling valuations and broad declines are healthy discipline or early evidence that the AI investment boom is overextended.
- 1CoreWeave’s debt-heavy model becomes a test of whether higher bond yields can destabilize the AI trade.
- 2Persistent dip-buying shows that post-pandemic risk appetite remains strong even as losses spread beneath major indexes.
- 3The data-center buildout may deliver transformative infrastructure while diverting capital and labor from housing and other projects.
Don't miss
A listener’s account of massive data-center construction makes the AI boom tangible and raises the possibility of a historic capital misallocation.
The brief
Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson debate whether a roughly 2% decline deserves the label bloodbath, arguing that market breadth and realistic drawdowns matter more than headline indexes.
CoreWeave becomes the episode’s canary: its GPU infrastructure business depends on NVIDIA, borrowed money, and a market willing to fund enormous AI expectations.
Despite repeated pullbacks, investors keep buying dips, while falling valuations offer some relief even as speculative lottery stocks expose survivorship bias.
A land surveyor’s account of data-center construction shifts the debate from markets to the real economy, where AI projects compete with housing for labor and capital.
The hosts widen the lens to property taxes, wealth, streaming, sports, and movies before returning to the unresolved question of whether hidden market carnage counts.
What was said on this episode
30 statements · 13 positive · 15 negative · 1 mixed · 1 neutral
The bond market strongly influences broader asset prices.
“the bond market kind of controls everything”
Listen at 4:22
Bad inflation news will eventually mark a bond-market bottom.
“The market bottomed on bad inflation news. That same thing is going to happen in the bond market.”
Listen at 5:33
CoreWeave could be a canary for broader AI-trade problems.
“Absolutely. Now, is it going to? Is this the end of the story? I mean, literally, who knows?”
Listen at 9:28
Bond-market discipline can restrain excessive speculative investment.
“I think this is actually good news that the bond market is now involved”
Listen at 10:29
Zero interest rates generally produce worse outcomes than normal capital costs.
“ZERP is far worse in general for everything than a normal cost of capital.”
Listen at 11:24
Investors will continue buying stocks through a future market crash.
“even if we get a crash this time, that's what's going to happen. People are going to continue to buy. all the way down.”
Listen at 14:05
The AI market will experience multiple booms and busts.
“I think it's more likely we have several booms and several busts as far as AI goes.”
Listen at 14:48
Buying heavily beaten-down assets will eventually be rewarded.
“when things get crushed, I go in and buy because I'm going to be rewarded later on”
Listen at 15:45
CoreWeave has a low probability of signaling broader AI-trade trouble.
“15% chance this could be a canary in the coal mine”
Listen at 19:14
Broad market conditions are not a bloodbath; losses are concentrated in poorly timed momentum stocks.
“The whole bloodbath under the surface is I'm a degenerate person who's invested in these momentum stocks at the wrong time.”
Listen at 22:10
Very high-return stocks inevitably experience substantial drawdowns.
“you can't have returns that high without experiencing a 20% drawdown in a week”
Listen at 23:49
Lower gross returns may still produce similar net returns because investment fees are lower.
“on a net basis, you're probably going to get the same thing even if returns on a gross basis are lower than they were in the past”
Listen at 30:57
Speculative-stock discussions overemphasize winners because of survivorship bias.
“there's a lot of survivorship bias talking about the stocks that do work. And we don't spend enough time talking about the ones that don't.”
Listen at 33:02
The war has materially increased inflation.
“without the war, inflation would be a lot lower than it is”
Listen at 35:06
Inflation remains a problem for reasons beyond the war.
“inflation's a problem. It's not just because of the war.”
Listen at 36:12
Technology professionals often misunderstand real-world constraints.
“tech people don't understand the real world in a lot of ways”
Listen at 40:30
Technology creators are poor predictors of how their technologies will be used.
“they can't predict how that technology is going to be used”
Listen at 41:15
Banks retain power over whether AI agents can access customer accounts.
“the banks still hold the power”
Listen at 41:30
People will continue wanting human therapists despite AI alternatives.
“I think people are still going to want to talk to a therapist.”
Listen at 42:44
Technology CEOs likely expect data-center investments to eventually pay off.
“I don't think that they would put this much money into something that's not going to eventually pay off.”
Listen at 43:49
A failed data-center boom could become history’s largest capital misallocation.
“If they're wrong, this could go down as the biggest misallocation of capital in the history of the planet.”
Listen at 44:09
Reducing property taxes shifts more tax burden onto renters and less wealthy people.
“The people who don't own homes, the less wealthy pay more in taxes.”
Listen at 46:15
Property taxes are an effective tax system.
“Property taxes are actually a really good system.”
Listen at 46:30
California’s property-tax cap reduced housing mobility and harmed the housing market.
“when California did this and California put the ceiling on their property taxes, Prop 6 or whatever it's called, or Prop 13 or Prop something, it was a disaster for the housing market because no one wanted to move because they locked in lower property taxes.”
Listen at 47:25
Netflix stock suffered a 20% loss for Michael Batnick.
“Netflix, a stock that I have been dead wrong on, took a 20% loss”
Listen at 53:45
Netflix is the leading winner in streaming.
“Netflix is the winner. They won streaming.”
Listen at 53:58
YouTube is taking significant competitive share from Netflix.
“YouTube is eating their lunch.”
Listen at 54:24
People do not prefer watching everything at home over going to theaters.
“People don't want to go to the movie theater. They want to watch everything from home. No, they don't. No, they do not.”
Listen at 56:22
1990s action movies are better than newer action movies.
“90s action movies are better.”
Listen at 59:18
More children are playing football than ever before.
“There's more kids than ever playing football.”
Listen at 1:01:39
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