Sep 24, 2026 · 1h 41m
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Greenwald and Kelly test political accountability across three controversies
Dem Candidate's WILD Texts Exposed, Lesbian Bar Drama, and Kamala's New Accent, with Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 1405
The episode connects workplace allegations, jury privacy, activist conflict, and Kamala Harris’s prospects through a shared argument about power and public scrutiny.
- 1The hosts examine allegations about Mary Peltola’s treatment of staff and the political fallout from the Meatball chameleon story.
- 2They argue that investigating a holdout juror’s phone records could threaten jury independence while discussing Patrick Clancy’s decision to forgive.
- 3They frame activist-space conflict, celebrity-child exposure, and Kamala Harris’s political style as disputes over power, identity, and accountability.
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The hosts dissect the Meatball chameleon controversy alongside allegations about staff treatment and debate why The New York Times published it.
The brief
Megyn Kelly and Glenn Greenwald open with Alaska Senate candidate Mary Peltola, weighing staff-abuse allegations, political consequences, and the strange controversy around her family’s chameleon, Meatball.
The discussion turns to Lindsay Clancy’s case, where the hosts argue that pursuing a holdout juror’s phone records risks weakening jury privacy and independence.
They examine Patrick Clancy’s forgiveness of Lindsay, rejecting commentary that treats his personal response as an obligation to remain married after an unimaginable loss.
A documentary trailer brings Elizabeth Holmes back into view, while a departing staffer and a remembered crow incident add a personal, chaotic interlude.
The episode closes on conflict at a lesbian bar, pressures facing celebrity children, and doubts about Kamala Harris’s political future and speaking style.
What was said on this episode
22 statements · 5 positive · 13 negative · 4 neutral
Abusing subordinates, especially physically, indicates a major character flaw.
“you're an adult. You still have a responsibility to treat others respectfully. And I do think that is a major character flaw. If you are treating people over whom you have power in these very abusive. ways, especially if it turns physical”
Listen at 10:14
Treating powerful peers better than powerless people reflects a sinister character trait.
“this I find to be an extremely sinister character trait, like really reflects poorly on someone.”
Listen at 11:40
Amy Klobuchar is almost certain to win election despite past staff-abuse allegations.
“She's almost certain to be elected. Doesn't seem to have really harmed her in the long run.”
Listen at 20:39
The New York Times is institutionally aligned more closely with Democrats.
“everyone knows the New York Times institutionally is more aligned with the Democratic Party.”
Listen at 27:33
Career incentives likely drove New York Times reporters to publish the Peltola investigation.
“They smell a story that helps their career. I think they're going to publish it”
Listen at 28:01
Jurors are not required to reach a particular conclusion beyond their honest judgment.
“there is no requirement when you're a juror other than just to do what you think is the best”
Listen at 32:43
One or two juror holdouts are common in justice systems.
“This is not unusual in a justice system where you have one or two holdouts who see things differently from the majority”
Listen at 38:30
Most jurisdictions require unanimity to convict for very serious crimes.
“that's why you need unanimity in most jurisdictions to convict somebody of a very serious crime”
Listen at 38:37
Judging Patrick Clancy for leaving Lindsay after she killed their children is monstrous.
“who could wake up every day and look at somebody who murdered your three children. That is monstrous to judge him that way.”
Listen at 42:37
Patrick Clancy should not be judged for remarrying and starting a new family.
“I don't judge him any of that. Who would sit in judgment of him? And how he moves on from this incomprehensibly horrific experience.”
Listen at 44:35
Elizabeth Holmes's fraud harmed victims and destroyed their financial security.
“it's not victimless. Like, you do a massive fraud like this, and you ruin people's lives. You destroy their financial security for themselves and their family.”
Listen at 48:01
Nathan Fielder's The Rehearsal is an exceptionally complex and subversive work of art.
“The Rehearsal, which is on HBO and HBO Max, is one of the most complex, subversive things I've ever seen, one of the most genius works of art.”
Listen at 49:24
Nathan Fielder's Elizabeth Holmes documentary will be unusually innovative and surprising.
“this is not going to be just an ordinary documentary about somebody we already know a lot about. I'm sure it's going to be something that is genuinely mind blowing and a documentary unlike what you've seen.”
Listen at 49:47
The word autism will soon become prohibited as derogatory.
“that word is going to be prohibited as being too derogatory somehow”
Listen at 53:44
Small bar owners face very low chances of success.
“being a bar owner is like even harder. The chances that you're going to succeed is quite small.”
Listen at 1:07:44
Last Ditch's mask requirement likely contributed to its financial failure.
“I'm sure it does have to do with the fact that in 2026, you can't go in without a mask, just like for that reason alone.”
Listen at 1:08:01
Left-wing politics tends to target adjacent individuals rather than powerful institutions.
“they never direct themselves or really direct themselves to anything that actually matters to anything powerful. They'll always pick the person right next to them.”
Listen at 1:10:25
Apologizing to punitive activists often intensifies their attacks.
“if you ever apologize, if you ever like take one step back just out of like kind of deference to other people's sensibilities, that's when they will destroy you even further”
Listen at 1:17:59
A deep psychological deficit led Cindy Crawford's son to use drugs.
“there's something extremely dark and sad and missing in his soul, like in his psyche, in his mental life that led him to need drugs as a substitute for whatever he was missing.”
Listen at 1:29:13
Early exposure to wealth, celebrity, and publicity produces poor outcomes for children.
“there's enough of a pattern of seeing the very poor outcomes for kids who are subjected to two-month wealth and celebrity and fame and public exposure. from the time they're basically young. It is not how kids are supposed to be raised.”
Listen at 1:34:23
Kamala Harris has exceptionally poor political talent.
“she is probably the least politically talented person I've ever seen. In fact, she has like negative political talent.”
Listen at 1:37:37
Kamala Harris provides no political value to candidates.
“She has no political value at all.”
Listen at 1:40:43
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