Aug 25, 2026 · 53 min
Hayes bets monetary expansion will propel scarce assets
Bitcoin Is Going To $250,000 (Here's Why) | Arthur Hayes
The conversation connects Treasury policy, AI investment, and crypto markets through a central question: whether inflationary money creation will reward scarcity.
- 1Hayes expects politically driven money creation to continue, supporting Bitcoin and gold without requiring another financial crisis.
- 2Bitcoin lagged as liquidity moved toward AI investment, but Hayes sees a future monetary response potentially redirecting capital into crypto.
- 3Hayes favors asymmetric crypto opportunities including Ethereum, Hyperliquid, Ethena, and Flop’s proposed market for tokenized AI compute.
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Hayes introduces Flop’s vision of tokenized AI compute, where agents could use a compute-native economy to coordinate and pay for processing.
The brief
Arthur Hayes argues that the United States can keep creating money without a 2008-style collapse, because political incentives favor continued benefits and inflation.
Bitcoin and gold become the episode’s test case: both offer scarcity, while real estate carries illiquidity, taxes, zoning, transaction costs, and local political risk.
Hayes says Bitcoin underperformed as marginal liquidity flowed into AI, but a future effort to support an enormous AI investment cycle could redirect money toward crypto.
He presents Ethereum as a hated asset with institutional upside, sees Hyperliquid facing traditional-exchange competition, and calls Ethena an unusually asymmetric bet.
The most speculative idea is Flop, a project designed to tokenize AI compute and let software agents use a compute-native payment and coordination layer.
The closing tension is abundance versus scarcity: technology may multiply available resources even as monetary expansion makes scarce assets more valuable.
What was said on this episode
28 statements · 19 positive · 6 negative · 2 mixed · 1 neutral
AI-related bailout liquidity will flow into Bitcoin
“that liquidity is going to find its way into Bitcoin”
Listen at 15:38
Bitcoin will perform very strongly as liquidity enters crypto
“So Bitcoin is going to do very, very well.”
Listen at 16:14
The AI bubble is history’s largest capital-expenditure bubble
“the ai bubble is the biggest capex bubble that we've ever done in human history”
Listen at 16:59
Authorities will print substantial money to stabilize the AI-finance system
“the amount of money that's going to have to be printed to save the system”
Listen at 17:15
Bitcoin will reach $250,000 without a 2008-style financial crisis
“you're going to look up and see you know bitcoin at 250 000”
Listen at 18:22
Money printing and excess credit will drive crypto’s next advance
“the next leg up is just money printing and there's just going to be excess credit flashing around and it'll get allocated to crypto”
Listen at 19:30
Sovereign nations will not buy Bitcoin
“I don't think sovereign nations are going to buy Bitcoin.”
Listen at 19:58
Gradual fiat re-monetization into gold will sharply raise gold prices
“that is going to create a massive upswing in the price of gold”
Listen at 22:42
The Treasury could reprice gold to $50,000 per ounce
“You just make gold $50,000 an ounce.”
Listen at 23:13
Investors should diversify across Bitcoin, gold, energy companies, and cash
“You should have all the avenues by which politicians can print the money. You could go to Bitcoin. I mean, I think it will go mostly to Bitcoin. You could go to gold. You could go to energy companies. You should have some cash.”
Listen at 24:28
Gold miners are among the best ways to benefit from higher gold prices
“gold miners is one of the best ways to take advantage of this gold upstream”
Listen at 25:15
Energy should constitute most global equity benchmarks
“It should be majority of energy.”
Listen at 25:30
Frontier AI labs are overvalued, while AI benefits civilization
“i'm bearish of these frontier labs i'm bullish on the impact of ai on just general human civilizational arc”
Listen at 26:12
AI investment will halt temporarily before the technology becomes highly useful
“it's going to come to a complete halt But then over time, as with any technology, it'll diffuse and it'll become extremely useful.”
Listen at 26:58
Many real-world-asset tokenization projects are unattractive
“i'm a hater of real world assets”
Listen at 27:37
Many real-world-asset tokens suffer from insufficient liquidity
“i think a lot of these things are there's a problem with liquidity”
Listen at 27:46
Ethena is attractively priced and could increase fivefold within months
“And so it's at a great price versus the fundamentals where I think the macro is going to go forward. And so I think it could do 5x in a matter of months.”
Listen at 29:58
Real-world-asset experiments can let financial institutions reduce staffing
“the real world asset experiments are great for financial institutions who get to fire a lot of employees”
Listen at 31:00
Ethereum will rally despite remaining widely disliked
“I think ETH is going to be a hated rally in ETH after all these years of underperformance.”
Listen at 31:20
Institutional investors will adopt Ethereum for tokenization activity
“And so I think that narrative will be something that institutional investors will latch on to.”
Listen at 31:56
Ethereum is a strong destination for newly created central-bank liquidity
“i think eth is a great place to put it”
Listen at 32:41
Hyperliquid will keep rising and become more embedded in global markets
“I think it's going to continue to go up and become more ingrained in just global markets.”
Listen at 33:13
Hyperliquid will face competition from traditional exchanges in real-world assets
“But they're going to have some competition, I think, in this purpose on real-world assets.”
Listen at 33:20
An AI-agent economy will develop a dedicated payment system
“there will be a payment system for ai agents”
Listen at 36:59
AI agents will prefer currencies easily convertible into computing resources
“the agent will prefer the currency by which they can convert that into the thing that keeps them alive, compute, the easiest way possible”
Listen at 38:12
The Flop project is already generating substantial activity on X
“we're already seeing that in terms of the activity on x”
Listen at 38:59
Flop GPU providers profit when token value exceeds hourly rental costs
“If the flop token is worth more than what it costs you to rent that GPU for an hour, then you've made money.”
Listen at 41:19
Billions or trillions of future agents will demand Flop currency
“there's going to be billions, billions and trillions of agents in the future who have a demand to hold this currency”
Listen at 42:08
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