Thoughtful Money with Adam Taggart

Housing demand sinks as regional price declines widen

All Data Now Points To A Housing Recession | Nick Gerli

The episode examines whether weak demand, rising inventory, demographic shifts, and illiquid pricing are setting up a broader U.S. housing correction.

3 key takeaways
  1. 1Housing demand has remained depressed for years, while affordability constraints and seller resistance delay sharper price declines.
  2. 2Regional strength in the Northeast and Midwest masks deeper weakness in markets including Phoenix, Denver, Tampa, and Austin.
  3. 3Chicago and other major legacy cities may outperform as pandemic-era migration reverses, but buyers still need rigorous property due diligence.

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Nick Gerli contends that a significant share of reported housing wealth is phantom because prices rely on very low transaction volumes and high-end sales.

The brief

Nick Gerli argues that U.S. housing demand has spent four years at historically weak levels, with sales and mortgage applications below even 2008 downturn levels.

National prices remain roughly flat because stronger Northeast and Midwest markets obscure sharper declines elsewhere, while rising inventory and poor affordability widen the regional divide.

Mortgage lock-in, seller denial, and changing rate distributions slow the adjustment, leaving prices elevated even as buyers retreat and listings accumulate.

Chicago and other major legacy cities emerge as potential bright spots as pandemic-era migration reverses and population flows return toward dense, highly educated urban centers.

The sharpest warning concerns phantom housing wealth: low transaction volumes and high-end sales can make reported prices look healthier than the underlying market.

Gerli’s practical answer is disciplined local analysis—scrutinize inventory, forecasts, building finances, assessments, and repair obligations before negotiating a purchase.

What was said on this episode

31 statements · 9 positive · 20 negative · 2 neutral

  1. Nick Gerlion U.S. housing market demandNegative2:49

    U.S. housing demand has been depressed for four years.

    “the housing market is mired now in its 4th year of a demand depression”

    Listen at 2:49

  2. Nick Gerlion U.S. mortgage purchase applicationsNegative4:00

    U.S. mortgage purchase applications fell 15% year over year.

    “Mortgage purchase applications are down 15% year over year through the middle of October.”

    Listen at 4:00

  3. Nick Gerlion U.S. housing inventoryNegative4:10

    U.S. housing inventory has reached a ten-year high.

    “Supply on the US housing market is almost back to pre-pandemic levels nationally and in the South and West. In the US, it's at a 10-year high.”

    Listen at 4:10

  4. Nick Gerlion Austin, Texas housing marketNegative5:36

    Austin home values fell 27% over four years.

    “In Austin, Texas, values are down 27% already in the last 4 years.”

    Listen at 5:36

  5. Home values will continue falling in many U.S. markets.

    “home values are dropping and will continue to drop in many markets in the U.S.”

    Listen at 8:01

  6. Nick Gerlion Housing PricesNegative10:36

    National price weakness will spread to more housing markets.

    “it will spread to more areas”

    Listen at 10:36

  7. Nick Gerlion Housing PricesNegative15:56

    Housing prices remain too high relative to affordability.

    “Prices are too high.”

    Listen at 15:56

  8. Nick Gerlion Housing PricesNegative20:28

    Housing prices will continue grinding lower through 2027.

    “my base case for 2027 is that we're still going to see this grind down”

    Listen at 20:28

  9. Nick Gerlion U.S. mortgage-rate distributionNeutral21:04

    More mortgage holders now have rates above 6% than below 3%.

    “There's more 6% plus rate owners than sub-3% owners.”

    Listen at 21:04

  10. Nick Gerlion U.S. housing marketsNegative25:53

    Most U.S. housing markets will continue declining.

    “I think most areas will continue trending lower.”

    Listen at 25:53

  11. Nick Gerlion Chicago housing marketPositive30:16

    Chicago home prices will rise while inventory remains low.

    “so long as inventory is that low, prices are going to go up.”

    Listen at 30:16

  12. Nick Gerlion U.S. domestic migrationNeutral31:14

    Migration is shifting from Sunbelt states toward New York, Chicago, and San Francisco.

    “We are now in a phase where people are no longer moving to those Sunbelt states in the same way, and they're now being drawn back to what I call the legacy tier 1 markets— New York, Chicago, San Fran.”

    Listen at 31:14

  13. Nick Gerlion Manhattan real estatePositive41:18

    Manhattan is currently the best U.S. housing market to buy.

    “if I had to pick one market to buy in right now, it would be New York City. It would be Manhattan specifically”

    Listen at 41:18

  14. Nick Gerlion Manhattan-to-U.S. home-value multiplePositive42:50

    Manhattan’s home-value multiple versus the U.S. is at its lowest since 2000.

    “the multiple of Manhattan to US real estate is 3.41, which is half what it was in the 2010s and is at the lowest level since 2000.”

    Listen at 42:50

  15. Nick Gerlion Manhattan real estatePositive43:07

    Manhattan may enter a housing boom within the next few years.

    “I personally would not be surprised if we could be on the precipice of a boom in Manhattan over the next couple of years.”

    Listen at 43:07

  16. Nick Gerlion New York co-ops and condosPositive44:18

    Some New York co-ops and condos offer nearly 10–11% gross rental yields.

    “Many of these co-ops and condos I'm finding in New York, meaning you could get close to a 10 to 11% gross rental yield.”

    Listen at 44:18

  17. Nick Gerlion Condo and co-op purchasesPositive45:34

    Condo and co-op buyers should conduct extensive building due diligence.

    “you should do a huge amount of due diligence on the homeowners association, on the reserves of the building, on the property.”

    Listen at 45:34

  18. Nick Gerlion Manhattan real estateNegative47:16

    Manhattan real estate fell 51% in inflation-adjusted terms.

    “In real terms, that means Manhattan is down 51% when you adjust for inflation.”

    Listen at 47:16

  19. Nick Gerlion Generation X and baby boomersNegative57:24

    Generation X is approximately 20% smaller than the baby-boomer generation.

    “Gen X is about 20% smaller than baby boomers”

    Listen at 57:24

  20. Nick Gerlion U.S. early-to-mid-retirement homebuyersNegative57:31

    Early-to-mid-retirement homebuyers will decline 20% over 10–15 years.

    “there's gonna be 20% fewer early to mid-retirement homebuyers over the next 10 to 15 years”

    Listen at 57:31

  21. Nick Gerlion Retirement-destination housing marketsNegative58:06

    Retirement destinations will experience higher housing supply.

    “I find it hard to believe it wouldn't be a guarantee that we would see higher supply.”

    Listen at 58:06

  22. Nick Gerlion Florida housing marketNegative59:55

    Florida housing is likely to underperform because of demographic pressures.

    “It's one reason why I'm bearish on Florida.”

    Listen at 59:55

  23. Nick Gerlion Florida housing marketNegative1:01:17

    Florida is unlikely to avoid demographic housing pressures.

    “I just really have a hard time seeing Florida dodge this.”

    Listen at 1:01:17

  24. Nick Gerlion U.S. housing demographic ratioNegative1:03:39

    The ratio of younger renters to older homeowners is deteriorating across the U.S., especially Florida.

    “that ratio is deteriorating almost everywhere across the US. And Florida is so in the crosshairs on this.”

    Listen at 1:03:39

  25. Nick Gerlion Housing PricesNegative1:05:42

    Demographic pressures will cause lower or stagnant housing prices.

    “I think this is a major headwind that's going to cause cheaper prices in many areas or stagnating prices in other areas.”

    Listen at 1:05:42

  26. Nick Gerlion Housing PricesNegative1:08:24

    Normal sales and demand would imply housing prices 20–30% lower.

    “if we had a normal level of sales and buyer demand, prices would be down 20 to 30%.”

    Listen at 1:08:24

  27. Nick Gerlion U.S. homebuilder marketNegative1:12:40

    The U.S. homebuilder market is experiencing its worst slump in fourteen years.

    “the homebuilder market is in its worst slump in 14 years.”

    Listen at 1:12:40

  28. Nick Gerlion Housing MarketNegative1:13:36

    Available housing data supports a U.S. housing recession or depression.

    “pretty much every data point is supporting the notion of a housing recession or depression.”

    Listen at 1:13:36

  29. Nick Gerlion Sunbelt housing marketsPositive1:14:08

    Sunbelt buyers should make offers now.

    “I think now's a great time if you live in some of these Sunbelt states to get out there and make offers.”

    Listen at 1:14:08

  30. Nick Gerlion Sunbelt home listingsPositive1:14:26

    Buyers should target homes listed for more than six months.

    “I'd recommend that buyers, if you're going to buy, Target sellers on the market over 6 months”

    Listen at 1:14:26

  31. Nick Gerlion Reventure appPositive1:15:56

    Reventure is the leading housing-market data app.

    “it's the number one housing market app for data.”

    Listen at 1:15:56

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