Oct 28, 2026 · 1h 4m
Japan’s overlooked strengths challenge the lost-decades narrative
GM109: Why Buffett Finally Went All In on Japan ft. Andrew McDermott
The discussion tests whether Japan’s manufacturing base, domestic capital, and corporate reforms point to a stronger future than headline economic measures suggest.
- 1Japan’s industrial capacity, engineering expertise, and resilience complicate judgments based mainly on GDP and market returns.
- 2Corporate governance, labor, and shareholder changes reflect a broader transformation that preceded Shinzo Abe’s reforms.
- 3Public debt and demographic concerns look different when analysts account for public assets, pensions, and domestic capital flows.
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Andrew McDermott reframes Japan’s debt and demographic problems by arguing that conventional comparisons omit public assets, pension structures, and domestic capital flows.
The brief
Andrew McDermott, founder of Mission Value Partners, rejects the idea that Japan’s “lost decades” capture the country’s real economic performance, emphasizing manufacturing, engineering, and productive investment.
The conversation frames Japan’s model around production, trade, energy, geography, and resilience, while comparing its strategic industrial approach with renewed Western interest in manufacturing.
McDermott argues that financialized measures and China-centered assumptions have obscured Japan’s strengths, even as corporate governance, labor practices, and shareholder returns evolve.
The episode tests whether technology and artificial intelligence can advance without physical infrastructure, manufacturing capacity, and the engineering systems that make digital progress possible.
Its sharpest turn comes in the debate over public debt and demographics: Japan’s liabilities look different when public assets, pensions, and domestic capital flows enter the frame.
The conclusion is cautiously optimistic: Japan’s education, engineering talent, corporate transformation, and strategic importance could matter more in the next decade than conventional rankings imply.
What was said on this episode
45 statements · 31 positive · 8 negative · 2 mixed · 4 neutral
Japan has the most equitable wealth distribution in the developed world.
“Japan is by far. the most equitable in the developed world.”
Listen at 6:46
Japan’s economic system outperforms the rest of the world.
“Japan is beating the rest of the world by a long shot”
Listen at 7:05
Japan’s capitalism is organized around competence.
“the through line in terms of what makes Japan capitalism work is that it is organized around competence.”
Listen at 8:49
Japan prioritizes manufacturing competence and continuous improvement.
“Japan has first and foremost focused on being competent at making things and continuing. That continuous improvement.”
Listen at 10:04
U.S. industrial reshoring vindicates Japan’s long-standing strategy.
“it's the ultimate vindication of the strategy that Japan has followed.”
Listen at 11:33
Japanese investments in the speaker’s state exceed $20 billion.
“it's over $20 billion just in my state”
Listen at 12:11
Japanese machine-tool orders reached records in the United States and China.
“Last month's machine tool orders from Japan hit a record in both the United States and China.”
Listen at 12:44
China is increasing its power supply eightfold.
“China, which is in a process of taking its power supply up 8x.”
Listen at 13:46
Europe is dismantling its electricity grid capacity.
“Europe is taking its grid apart”
Listen at 13:54
Japan’s recent decades were not broadly lost outside financial markets.
“Japan's last decades have not been lost unless you're in the financial markets.”
Listen at 17:57
Japan leads on social well-being metrics.
“Japan is far and away on all metrics of social well-being a leader.”
Listen at 18:23
Manufacturing employment increased while finance employment declined.
“manufacturing jobs were increasing pretty strongly and finance jobs were in decline.”
Listen at 20:04
Private equity and private credit markets have weaker deal flow than previously.
“The private equity and private credit markets are struggling to generate the sort of deal flow that they've had in the past.”
Listen at 20:15
Higher interest rates are not harming Japan because it has become a growth market.
“higher interest rates are not killing Japan, interestingly, because Japan has become a growth market.”
Listen at 20:31
Japan has become a growth market.
“Japan has become a growth market.”
Listen at 20:37
Japan is nearing an IBM partnership for 1.5-nanometer technology beyond TSMC.
“Japan is... very close to partnering with IBM to make a leap to one and a half nanometer technology, higher than TSMC.”
Listen at 21:13
Japanese, Korean, and Taiwanese manufactured goods are currently most valuable.
“the most valuable things are things that the Japanese and the Koreans and the Taiwanese make”
Listen at 23:40
Most current AI activity creates no economic value or human flourishing.
“most of the stuff that we're doing in ai with ai right now is not adding to that capitalism. It's not adding to human forcing. It's not creating economic value.”
Listen at 27:12
Current AI investment generates a strongly negative return on invested capital.
“It is a gigantic negative return on invested capital.”
Listen at 27:26
Japan is the uncontested world leader in manufacturing machine learning.
“the Japanese are uncontested, the world leaders.”
Listen at 28:16
Japan leads decisively in economically productive AI applications.
“Japan is by far second to none. It is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else.”
Listen at 29:01
Japan is the primary market where AI models train.
“Japan is very quietly the primary market on which AA models train.”
Listen at 29:49
Japan will play a major role in core machine learning infrastructure.
“I'm incredibly bullish on Japan's participation in the guts of this machine learning”
Listen at 29:56
Japan is a functioning democracy.
“Japan is a functioning democracy”
Listen at 33:31
China is a totalitarian dictatorship.
“China is a totalitarian dictatorship”
Listen at 33:43
China has not yet surpassed Japan technologically or industrially.
“China has still not surpassed Japan.”
Listen at 34:24
Japan’s model is superior to China’s for human flourishing.
“in the areas that we talk about human flourishing, the Chinese model versus the Japanese model, there's no comparison for me.”
Listen at 34:45
Japan’s corporate model resembles the U.S. model that worked from World War II to 1980.
“The Japanese model is is the exact same model that worked in the u.s for 30 or 40 years between World War II and 1980.”
Listen at 36:46
Shinzo Abe’s reforms followed changes already underway in Japan.
“Abe was like any good politician seeing what was already happening.”
Listen at 38:43
Berkshire Hathaway resembles Japanese companies in structure and governance.
“Berkshire Hathaway is the most Japanese company in America in every sense”
Listen at 42:11
GPIF manages approximately $1.3 trillion and is the largest investor.
“The biggest investor, the $1.3 trillion investor is GPIF.”
Listen at 42:46
Japan becoming more like KKR’s portfolio would pose a major risk.
“Japan becomes more like KKR's portfolio. And it's a huge risk.”
Listen at 44:34
Japan has repeatedly restructured its public liabilities.
“Japan has already restructured its liabilities a number of times.”
Listen at 47:00
Current growth is improving Japan’s balance sheet.
“The massive growth that we're seeing right now is very favorable to the Japanese balance sheet.”
Listen at 47:44
Japan ranks first globally in educational outcomes.
“Japan is number one in the world in educational outcomes.”
Listen at 48:13
Japan reduced pension benefits, raised retirement age, and compensated companies.
“They reduced the benefits, extended the retirement age, and made these companies whole.”
Listen at 51:18
Japan invested pension restructuring savings in ongoing manufacturing productivity.
“they invested that. in their ongoing productivity, which is, especially in manufacturing level, very, very high.”
Listen at 52:03
Japanese government bonds became more attractive relative to hedged U.S. Treasuries.
“the relative attractiveness of JGBs at three, wherever they are now, to a hedged U.S. Treasury against that absolute return objective has clearly improved”
Listen at 53:00
Japanese lenders may repatriate capital when domestic returns match foreign returns.
“when Japanese lenders start pulling their money out because they can make as much as home as they could abroad”
Listen at 53:54
Japanese fixed-income and equity returns appear attractive going forward.
“Japan's fixed income returns and equity returns are all very attractive prospectively.”
Listen at 54:24
Small Japanese fixed-income allocation shifts could materially affect foreign markets.
“even a small change in asset allocations across the fixed income portfolios of Japanese investors can have a major impact on other markets.”
Listen at 55:33
Continued MIT and Oxford partnerships with the CCP would severely harm Japan and the West.
“MIT and also Oxford continue to partner with the CCP to train their engineers. then it's game over, not just for Japan, but for all of us.”
Listen at 57:28
Japan can perform everything China currently does.
“there's nothing that the Chinese are doing right now that the Japanese can't do.”
Listen at 59:34
China’s internal problems could force military retrenchment and joint Taiwan administration with Japan by 2035.
“It imagines Japan in 2035 in a world in which the internal problems of China force it to retrench on its aggressive military expansion and China and Japan form a peaceful joint. administration of Taiwan”
Listen at 1:00:37
Japan’s financial-market importance may eventually match its real-world importance.
“Japan's participation in our financial markets could perhaps reflect its importance in the real world.”
Listen at 1:01:28
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