Sep 9, 2026 · 1h 41m

Jurors debate insanity as Turek defends objective reality

ALARMING Comments From Female Lindsay Clancy Jurors, Shock Elizabeth Holmes Doc, and Frank Turek on One Year Since Charlie Kirk | Ep. 1394

The episode links a contested criminal-responsibility case with a broader argument about evidence, grief, faith, and the meaning of truth.

3 key takeaways

1Juror accounts expose sharp disagreement over psychosis, reasonable doubt, and criminal responsibility in the Lindsay Clancy case.
2Megyn Kelly rejects conspiracy theories surrounding the case and Charlie Kirk’s death, insisting public claims remain tied to evidence.
3Frank Turek argues that objective reality and religious faith offer an answer to ideological narratives and contemporary moral confusion.

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Kelly rejects speculative conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk’s death and redirects the conversation toward admissible evidence and provable facts.

The brief

Megyn Kelly opens with juror accounts from the Lindsay Clancy insanity case, focusing on a holdout’s change of position and the limits of amateur psychological reasoning.

The discussion turns to the emotional force of Patrick Clancy’s 911 call and competing explanations involving psychosis, medication, alcohol, and responsibility.

After brief detours into a documentary and tennis sportsmanship, Frank Turek joins Kelly to discuss Charlie Kirk’s death, Erica’s grief, and the pressure of leadership.

Turek presents The War on Reality as a defense of objective truth against ideological narratives, while Kelly emphasizes provable facts over conspiracy theories.

The episode’s central tension is whether grief, faith, and public controversy can be discussed honestly without surrendering evidence or reason.

What was said on this episode

14 statements · 4 positive · 9 negative · 1 neutral

Megyn Kellyon Lindsay Clancy jury deliberationsNegative7:08
Jurors improperly acted as experts when interpreting Clancy’s toxicology report.
“acting as a little mini expert to interpret the toxicology report for the lone holdout juror”
Listen at 7:08
Megyn Kellyon Lindsay Clancy holdout jurorPositive7:32
The holdout juror appropriately rejected relying on jurors’ informal medical expertise.
“This holdout jurors decision to reject that as not the expertise he was going to base a life or death decision on was entirely appropriate.”
Listen at 7:32
Megyn Kellyon Lindsay Clancy prosecutionNegative12:32
The prosecution’s jury-instruction performance caused the case to be lost.
“The prosecution failed so terribly on jury instruction. That's where this case was clearly lost.”
Listen at 12:32
Megyn Kellyon Jury deliberationsNegative22:03
Jurors should not be pressured to change a verdict against their conscience.
“You shouldn't be bullied into changing your verdict when you actually don't believe a change of verdict is necessary.”
Listen at 22:03
Megyn Kellyon Corey Walsh’s alleged crimeNegative31:27
Walsh’s interest in the Clancy case likely influenced her alleged crime.
“I, for one, am persuaded by her. extreme interest in the case as expressed within hours of her doing this, that it did play a role.”
Listen at 31:27
Megyn Kellyon Naomi OsakaNegative1:10:27
Naomi Osaka was decisively defeated at the U.S. Open.
“she was beaten roundly. It was it was a decisive victory.”
Listen at 1:10:27
Megyn Kellyon Naomi OsakaPositive1:11:12
Osaka should focus on tennis, dress professionally, and prioritize her game.
“the best thing to do when performing at a Grand Slam tournament is to focus on the tennis, to dress like a professional tennis player, and to focus on one's game”
Listen at 1:11:12
Frank Turkon Frank Turek’s trauma responseNeutral1:16:37
Frank Turek considers his post-traumatic reactions normal rather than disordered.
“There's no disorder. I mean, that's normal.”
Listen at 1:16:37
Frank Turkon RealityPositive1:29:21
Reality ultimately prevails despite attempts to deny or resist it.
“reality is undefeated. I mean, you can deny reality. You can fight against it. But ultimately, reality is going to win.”
Listen at 1:29:21
Frank Turkon Charlie KirkPositive1:29:49
Frank Turek says Charlie Kirk defended objective reality against ideological denial.
“Charlie was fighting for reality while many people were fighting against reality.”
Listen at 1:29:49
Frank Turkon Third-trimester abortionNegative1:34:19
Frank Turek claims third-trimester abortion is never medically necessary to save the mother.
“There is never a reason in the third trimester to have a baby die in order to save a mother.”
Listen at 1:34:19
Frank Turkon Attacks on Erica KirkNegative1:36:03
Frank Turek says attacks on Erica Kirk rely on speculation rather than evidence.
“They don't have facts. All they have is speculation. They don't have evidence.”
Listen at 1:36:03
Megyn Kellyon Conspiracy theoristsNegative1:38:25
Conspiracy theorists will not abandon their beliefs because of evidence or verdicts.
“they will not be disabused of their beliefs. Not by facts, not by eyewitness testimony, not by a court verdict, not by any of it.”
Listen at 1:38:25
Megyn Kellyon Tyler RobinsonNegative1:38:50
Megyn Kelly says the evidence overwhelmingly implicates Tyler Robinson.
“the evidence in this case, which is overwhelming against Tyler Robinson.”
Listen at 1:38:50

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The War on Reality

Turek’s book develops the episode’s central argument about objective truth, ideological narratives, and reason.