May 14, 2026 · 2h 56m
Marcus King on how social media pressure impacts modern creative minds
#2499 - Marcus King
The modern music industry demands constant digital presence, forcing artists to balance public vulnerability with mental stability.
- 1Social media platforms impose a heavy psychological toll on creative professionals trying to maintain authentic artistic expression.
- 2High-dose THC can produce profound psychedelic effects that alter perspective and influence the creative mindset.
- 3Navigating the modern music industry requires balancing intense touring demands with active mental health management.
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Marcus King and Joe Rogan analyze the psychological toll that constant social media exposure takes on modern creative professionals.
The brief
Musician Marcus King joins Joe Rogan to explore the delicate balance between artistic creation, mental health, and navigating the modern music industry as a touring creative.
The pressure of constant digital connectivity is reshaping the creative process, forcing artists to navigate the psychological toll of social media while trying to maintain their authenticity.
Beyond the music industry, the conversation moves into unexpected territories, from the history of antique weaponry to the intense psychological and psychedelic effects of high-dose THC.
What was said on this episode
61 statements · 36 positive · 18 negative · 1 mixed · 6 neutral
Golf becomes enjoyable through skill, which requires obsessive practice.
“you'll enjoy it if you get good at it, but the problem is to get good at it, then you got to get obsessed”
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Comedians’ careers can stall when golf consumes their time and attention.
“the comedians that really got into golf, their career kind of stalled”
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Repressed emotions contribute to destructive drinking behavior.
“I think a lot of it is repressed emotions”
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Marcus King says he cannot reliably stop drinking once he starts.
“there's just some kind of quality in me that's like, I can't stop”
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Performers can shift from seeking approval toward giving audiences enjoyment.
“I think that can be done. I think you can shift your focus from. I just want these people's love to. I want to give them love.”
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Rock and roll is undergoing a resurgence similar to the cowboy trend.
“I think rock and roll is kind of having a similar resurgence”
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Led Zeppelin should be classified as a jam band.
“Zeppelin was a fucking jam band”
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Palantir has called for universal national service instead of an all-volunteer military.
“Palantir is publicly called for the US to move away from an all volunteer military and towards some form of universal national service”
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Marcus King says a GLP-1 drug reduced his desire to drink alcohol.
“it actually curbed my desire for a drink”
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GLP-1 drugs can cause severe side effects including stomach paralysis.
“some people are experiencing all kinds of wild side effects. Stomach paralysis is one of them.”
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Standard GLP-1 dosages may be excessively high for some patients.
“the dosages are too high”
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Retatrutide is expected to outperform alternatives without muscle or bone-density loss.
“this one is supposed to be better because it doesn't cause muscle loss and it doesn't cause bone density loss. And it's supposed to be more effective.”
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Retatrutide produced up to 24% weight loss in phase-two trials.
“showing unprecedented weight loss results of up to 24 in phase two trials”
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Retatrutide is predicted to become a trillion-dollar medication.
“They said this is going to be a trillion dollar medication”
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Jelly Roll has lost 300 pounds of body weight.
“Jelly Roll was at the club last night. He's down £300.”
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Jelly Roll runs about five miles and exercises daily.
“He runs like five miles a day. He works out every day.”
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Avoiding bread improves Marcus King’s stomach comfort and energy.
“when I don't eat it, you know, I just feel better. I have more energy.”
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Joe Rogan claims ketosis improves brain function.
“once you get your body working on ketones too, the thing is, you just. Your brain functions better.”
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Joe Rogan says the carnivore diet immediately improved his brain function.
“when I did the carnivore diet, is that immediately my brain just started functioning better”
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Time away from performing improves Marcus King’s voice more than other interventions.
“time off is what my voice up more than anything”
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Cannabis should be legal for adults aged 21 and older under alcohol-like regulation.
“It really should be regulated the same way alcohol is. It should be for adult use 21 and older.”
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Legal cannabis would generate substantial tax revenue for states.
“if it was legal and regulated, first of all, we'd get taxes from it and that would be huge for every state”
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Federal cannabis prohibition supports illegal cartels.
“You're also Propping up the cartels”
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Over 80% of illicit U.S. cannabis is cartel-grown on California public lands.
“more than 80% of all the Lee. The weed that's sold in the United States that's illegal is grown in California on public lands by the cartel.”
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The Nixon administration classified psychedelics to target civil-rights and antiwar movements.
“the only reason they did that was to target the civil Rights movement, the civil rights movement and the anti war movement”
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Psychedelic drugs caused the radical musical transformation from the 1950s to 1960s.
“And it's drugs, it's psychedelic drugs.”
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Childhood emotional neglect can cause excessive attention-seeking from strangers.
“Making you not feel special or making you feel like you're a burden is something. Something that causes you to like, want exorbitant amounts of attention from strangers.”
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Growing up wealthy without hardship makes exceptional achievement more difficult.
“it's so difficult for those people to ever be exceptional because they don't have the motivation”
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Suffering is necessary for people to fully appreciate positive experiences.
“you have to suffer in order to really appreciate the good”
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Charlie Crockett’s distinctive artistic development cannot be artificially manufactured.
“You can't create a Charlie Crockett in a lab.”
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Jelly Roll’s hardship contributed to his warmth and kindness.
“because he's been through hell, you know, and that's. That's how you make a person like, that.”
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Marcus says microdosing mushrooms produced his greatest progress against depression and anxiety.
“the best work that I did to combat my depression and anxiety and stuff was microdosing, you know. Mushrooms.”
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Marcus says abruptly stopping antidepressants can cause seizures.
“you could have seizures and shit”
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Joe says low serotonin is not established as a direct cause of depression or automatic reason for SSRIs.
“There is no good evidence for the simple chemical imbalance like low serotonin that directly causes depression or automatically means someone should take an SSRI.”
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Joe says SSRIs alter brain chemistry and help some people.
“But SSRIs do change brain chemistry in ways that can help some people.”
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Joe says exercise is substantially more effective than antidepressants for depression.
“They've shown that exercise is way more effective than antidepressants at actually helping people with depression.”
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Marcus says sobriety and social exposure substantially improved his personal growth and anxiety management.
“not drinking and, like, having to socialize with people and having to have a little exposure therapy to, like, social interactions and life in general without just masking myself with drugs and alcohol has helped a lot, too, in that growth.”
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Joe says Ozempic can reduce people’s desire to be in love.
“One of the things that people are finding about Ozempic is it actually curbs your desire to be in love, too.”
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Joe says cardio helps depression and weight training helps anxiety.
“anything cardio wise is great for depression, supposedly. And even weights. Weights are supposedly really good for anxiety”
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Marcus says injectable medications are becoming dominant because they are currently fashionable.
“everything is injectables now because that's what's hot”
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Joe says type 2 diabetes can be cured.
“type 2 diabetes, the thing about that one is you can cure that.”
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Joe cites 13% of US adults as taking an antidepressant in a typical 30-day period.
“13% of US adults report taking an antidepressant in any given 30 day period.”
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Marcus recalls data suggesting 70% of artists struggle with mental-health issues.
“The last data that I remember reading was like 70% of like, artists struggle with some faction of mental health.”
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Joe says social media harms people’s mental health.
“the newest element that targets your mental health and goes after it, which is social media.”
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Marcus says social-media platforms incentivize users to remain active and engage.
“they want you on the app, using it, like, commenting, responding to people.”
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Joe evaluates music as producing drug-like effects.
“Music is like a drug, man. It really is. It's like a beautiful drug.”
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Joe says unconventional people can be necessary for emotionally powerful art.
“Sometimes it takes a really wild, crazy, off the rails person to make music or make any kind of art that just moves you, drives you crazy.”
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Marcus evaluates Rick Rubin as representing the consumer’s perspective in music.
“I think he has been like the, you know, the voice of, like, the consumer.”
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Joe says Rick Rubin’s unique sensibility helps shape music production and creation.
“his sensibility, like, he. He has a. It's like a very valuable position. Person just with a unique mind that is just helping shape how music gets produced and created”
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Pornography should be destigmatized and treated as entertainment.
“if we could destigmatize it”
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Joe says AI-generated pornography can be consumed without exploiting real performers.
“AI porn because then you can watch porn and there's no victims.”
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AI-generated pornography can remove victims from porn consumption.
“remove any kind of victim.”
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The shotgun is exceptionally powerful in Deadwood Mansion.
“The shotgun is overpowered.”
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Zombie-shooting games are a good use of virtual reality.
“that's a good use of VR.”
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Video games can consume players’ lives.
“they rob you of your life.”
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Star Wars content is currently integrated into Fortnite.
“Star wars is now in Fortnite.”
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Predators reportedly use Roblox to message people.
“apparently now there's like pedophiles have been gotten into Roblox. They try to message people.”
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Practicing with VR gun games could improve real-world shooting ability.
“you doing that could get better at shooting guns.”
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VR gun systems should replicate the weight of a real steel firearm.
“What they really should do is make one of those things with the weight of an actual steel gun”
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Music theory is a valuable tool for musicians.
“Music theory is a valuable tool.”
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Music theory can help with songwriting.
“It can.”
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