Oct 22, 2026 · 1h 25m
Ohio attack ads collide with Washington’s data-center debate
The Inside Story Behind that Amy Acton Ad. The Hottest Data Center Party in DC (with Abby Turner and Ed Tarnowski)
The episode connects the risks of negative campaigning with a broader fight over whether technology can build a persuasive public constituency.
- 1Vivek Ramaswamy’s attack on Amy Acton may have strengthened opponents by turning an extreme ad into a test of campaign judgment.
- 2Mike Rogers’s attacks on Abdul El-Sayed show how identity-based messaging targets undecided and moderate voters late in a race.
- 3A Washington data-center party revealed an emerging tech-optimist coalition confronting local concerns and the industry’s weak public-relations strategy.
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Ed Tarnowski recounts how an AI-generated invitation turned a casual Washington house-party idea into a major pro-data-center event that drew protesters.
The brief
The episode opens with two models of political attack: Mike Rogers’s effort against Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan and Vivek Ramaswamy’s controversial ad targeting Amy Acton in Ohio.
Abby Turner explains how the Acton ad emerged from a screen-recorded format involving Acton’s mother, then traces the backlash and the strategic damage it may have caused Ramaswamy.
The discussion argues that Ramaswamy missed a chance to turn his technology background and the data-center debate into a distinctive positive identity for Ohio voters.
Ed Tarnowski recounts how an AI-generated invitation transformed a Washington house party into a large pro-data-center gathering, complete with protesters and national attention.
The closing argument is for technology companies to explain concrete benefits while addressing legitimate infrastructure and environmental concerns instead of ceding the debate to organized opposition.
What was said on this episode
47 statements · 21 positive · 20 negative · 1 mixed · 5 neutral
Abdul El-Sayed is not known to be a Muslim Brotherhood member.
“Abdul al-Sayed is not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood so far as anybody knows.”
Listen at 5:23
Mike Rogers’s attacks aim to split two Democratic constituencies in Michigan.
“The reason why these things are being brought up is because Mike Rogers needs to split two key core constituencies from the Democratic coalition in Michigan.”
Listen at 6:21
Republicans face difficulty winning Michigan elections.
“Winning in Michigan in any environment is tough for a Republican.”
Listen at 9:21
Republicans have not won Michigan for many years.
“There's a reason why a Republican has not won in Michigan in many, many years.”
Listen at 9:25
John Husted’s campaign is currently in serious danger.
“I believe is now in tremendous peril.”
Listen at 11:33
Justin believes the Amy Acton attack ad is bad.
“I believe the ad is bad.”
Listen at 12:28
Vivek Ramaswamy is running a bad campaign.
“I believe that Vivek Ramishwamy is running a bad campaign.”
Listen at 12:37
Vivek Ramaswamy will not become Ohio governor.
“I don't believe he will be governor of Ohio.”
Listen at 12:41
- Abby Turneron Amy Acton adNegative19:58
The early ad release gives Democrats time to control its narrative.
“with two weeks, I mean, there's so much time for Democrats to really own this. And it seems like they're doing so right now.”
Listen at 19:58
The Amy Acton ad signals desperation from Ramaswamy’s campaign.
“It seems, among other things, to wreak of desperation”
Listen at 20:35
- Abby Turneron Amy Acton polling leadPositive21:06
Amy Acton leads Ramaswamy by roughly four to six points in multiple polls.
“she, I think, in multiple publicly released polls has at least, you know, four or five, six percent lead on him outside of the margin of error here.”
Listen at 21:06
- Abby Turneron Amy Acton adNeutral21:18
Campaigns do not release such ads when internal polls show a five-to-seven-point lead.
“this is not an ad that you release if your internal polls say that you're up, you know, five, six, seven percent.”
Listen at 21:18
Ohio Republicans effectively selected Ramaswamy as nominee months early.
“when Rameshwamy got in this race, they kind of crowned him the nominee months before.”
Listen at 22:56
Ohio is currently trending Republican.
“Ohio is obviously trending as a red state”
Listen at 23:06
Vivek Ramaswamy may be a poor political candidate.
“he might just be a bad candidate who's bad at running for things.”
Listen at 25:32
Vivek Ramaswamy has failed to mobilize online conservative energy.
“He hasn't been able to do that.”
Listen at 27:06
Ramaswamy’s poor campaign has displaced concerns about Acton’s COVID record.
“People are so focused with what a poor campaign Ramashwamy is running that all concerns of Amy Acton's COVID tenure are out the window.”
Listen at 34:11
- Abby Turneron Negative political advertisingNegative35:06
Excessive negative advertising can produce a backlash against the advertiser.
“there is a point where the ad market gets so saturated with negative ads that it almost kind of has the reverse effect.”
Listen at 35:06
Data centers are a major issue Ramaswamy could politically own.
“The data center thing's a big issue. You can take, you can take control of that.”
Listen at 35:39
Ramaswamy’s campaign will suffer a severe defeat.
“My suspicion is that the Republicans are going to see a Ramashwamy campaign that will lose so bad”
Listen at 37:19
Ramaswamy should advertise his role in suspending Ohio’s gas tax.
“there should be an ad up there with Ramashwamy, you know, touting like, look, I suspended your gas tax for you and I'm not even governor yet.”
Listen at 38:30
Candidates should attach their names to accomplishments to build recognition.
“put your name on things, especially when people don't know you”
Listen at 39:06
Ramaswamy’s dominant campaign message portrays Amy Acton as a liar.
“the one thing that's sticking is I would like to. convince you that Amy Acton is a liar”
Listen at 39:17
Ramaswamy has run a highly negative campaign.
“he's just run a very, very negative campaign.”
Listen at 40:32
Vivek Ramaswamy’s political trajectory will end badly in Ohio.
“I think it's going to end ignominiously. In Ohio.”
Listen at 41:27
Canada and Ontario announced an $8.7 billion tariff-response industrial package.
“Canada, and specifically Ontario, have announced an $8.7 billion Canadian dollar industrial package responding to U.S. tariffs.”
Listen at 49:48
A Canada-U.S. deal will be reached after November 3.
“I think that a deal gets made, but it obviously isn't going to happen before November 3rd.”
Listen at 50:35
- Ed Tarnowskion Pro-data-center partyPositive54:12
The pro-data-center party tapped into demand for technological optimism.
“we clearly tapped into something. And I think that's something kind of like a yearning for optimism.”
Listen at 54:12
Data centers currently face a public-relations problem.
“data centers have a PR problem right now.”
Listen at 56:13
- Ed Tarnowskion Data centers and technological innovationPositive56:21
Tech pessimists do not monopolize enthusiasm around data centers and innovation.
“the doomers don't have a monopoly on the energy around, you know, innovation data centers, tech generally.”
Listen at 56:21
Data-center development raises legitimate community concerns.
“there certainly are legitimate community concerns.”
Listen at 56:32
- Ed Tarnowskion American compute competitivenessNegative59:27
Adversaries seek to hinder American competitiveness in computing.
“our adversaries who are recognizing the importance of American compute dominance and why they want to hinder our ability to remain competitive on this front.”
Listen at 59:27
- Ed Tarnowskion Microsoft Wisconsin facilityPositive1:01:25
Microsoft’s Wisconsin facility uses closed-loop cooling for 90% of compute.
“Microsoft's facility up in Wisconsin, 90% of the compute is using the closed loop.”
Listen at 1:01:25
- Ed Tarnowskion Closed-loop data-center coolingPositive1:01:35
Closed-loop data-center systems can recycle cooling water.
“you can just recycle the water.”
Listen at 1:01:35
- Ed Tarnowskion Emerging technologyPositive1:04:27
New technology is advancing cancer research, firefighting, and hurricane prediction.
“we are seeing rapid advancements in cancer research and how we're fighting forest fires, and we're predicting hurricanes a whole day earlier with one of Google's new systems”
Listen at 1:04:27
- Ed Tarnowskion Pro-data-center party attendancePositive1:07:38
The pro-data-center party had over 1,000 approved guests and more than 1,400 including waitlisted people.
“the list was, like, well over 1,000 approved. If you include those that were still on the wait list, it was more than 1,400.”
Listen at 1:07:38
A future pro-data-center party would likely fill a venue twice as large.
“if you were to throw another one, you'd probably need a place twice as big and you'd probably still hit capacity.”
Listen at 1:09:14
- Ed Tarnowskion Tech optimistsPositive1:09:39
The party demonstrated a substantial constituency of technology optimists.
“the party did certainly show that there is a robust constituency of tech optimists”
Listen at 1:09:39
- Ed Tarnowskion Technology and innovationPositive1:10:40
Many people are enthusiastic about technology and innovation.
“there are a lot of people that are excited about this.”
Listen at 1:10:40
- Ed Tarnowskion Emerging technologyPositive1:12:07
Techno-optimists believe emerging technology will improve humanity.
“We do believe this is something that's going to make humanity better.”
Listen at 1:12:07
- Ed Tarnowskion Current technology transformationPositive1:12:37
The current technology transformation will exceed an industrial revolution in scale.
“I'm calling it our industrial revolution, but bigger.”
Listen at 1:12:37
- Ed Tarnowskion Pro-data-center partiesPositive1:13:59
San Francisco and Austin are the likeliest next party locations.
“SF and Austin are the most likely next on the docket.”
Listen at 1:13:59
- Ed Tarnowskion Emerging technologyPositive1:16:59
Emerging technology represents a new industrial revolution.
“This is a new industrial revolution.”
Listen at 1:16:59
- Ed Tarnowskion Artificial organsPositive1:17:09
Artificial organs could save many lives over the long run.
“artificial organs and how that could really, in the long run, help save so many lives.”
Listen at 1:17:09
- Ed Tarnowskion Technology industry pessimistsNegative1:18:36
Technology-industry pessimists are not representative of the whole industry.
“just because there are some people working in it that are doomers, that doesn't mean they're representative.”
Listen at 1:18:36
- Ed Tarnowskion AI doomismNegative1:19:05
AI doomism is not the consensus among technology workers.
“it's certainly not a consensus, among everyone working in the industry”
Listen at 1:19:05
- Ed Tarnowskion AI-assisted ALS communicationPositive1:19:50
AI is helping restore natural communication for ALS patients.
“AI is helping restore. natural communication for patients with ALS.”
Listen at 1:19:50
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