Oct 29, 2026 · 1h 7m
Value investors hunt discounts beyond Wall Street’s favorites
Tim Melvin: Finding Value Where Wall Street Isn’t Looking
The discussion offers a framework for assessing overlooked income and value opportunities while confronting balance-sheet, credit, concentration, and crash risks.
- 1Community banks can offer value when balance-sheet quality, liquidity, and management incentives outweigh headline fears.
- 2REITs and closed-end funds create opportunities when market prices diverge sharply from underlying assets or net asset value.
- 3Income-oriented bargains still require caution as private-credit weakness, concentrated earnings, and widening spreads could expose hidden risks.
Don't miss
Melvin’s contrast between Silicon Valley Bank’s concentrated management failures and a generalized banking-credit crisis reframes the episode’s central search for overlooked value.
The brief
Tim Melvin argues that community-bank fears often obscure a more specific problem: Silicon Valley Bank reflected concentrated management mistakes, not necessarily a systemwide credit crisis.
His screening process emphasizes tangible book value, asset quality, liquidity, and incentives—while recognizing that the cheapest banks can carry the most serious operational or credit problems.
The search widens to REITs and closed-end funds, where pessimism, institutional exits, and persistent discounts can separate public prices from underlying real estate or loan values.
Gaming REITs such as Vici Properties and GLPI stand out for long leases and income, while discounted office and net-lease holdings offer more contested opportunities.
The broader warning is that attractive yields do not erase risk: private-credit quality varies, market earnings are concentrated, and widening spreads may signal rising caution.
What was said on this episode
36 statements · 25 positive · 8 negative · 1 mixed · 2 neutral
U.S. community banks will decline to 1,000 or fewer.
“We're going to 1,000 or under, Toby. I mean, it's just – it's going to happen.”
Listen at 4:55
Melvin recommends buying banks below 80% of tangible book value with strong credit and capital.
“I want to buy them 80% of tangible book value with negligible loan losses and lots of capital.”
Listen at 6:06
Hoyne Bank’s equity-to-assets ratio is approximately 34%.
“These guys are at 34. They may be the largest in the industry.”
Listen at 13:10
Hoyne Bank has negligible loan losses.
“They have no loan losses to speak of. They're very negligible.”
Listen at 13:27
Melvin is comfortable initially buying banks at about 80% or less of tangible book value.
“if I can get this thing in an initial position around 80 or less I'm pretty happy”
Listen at 15:15
Public REITs currently trade below the value of their underlying real estate.
“REITs are now cheaper than the actual real estate.”
Listen at 18:49
VICI Properties is undervalued at an approximately 8% yield.
“for this thing to be trading at this price with this yield, which is, I think it's 8% now, is just ridiculous.”
Listen at 20:43
Gaming REIT real estate should recover, with long leases supporting dividend growth.
“it's going to come back and this real estate is all a very long-term leases 20 years and more with accelerator clauses in the lease so there's kind of a natural dividend growth built into these things”
Listen at 22:33
Cousins Properties trades below net asset value despite high-quality Sunbelt offices.
“Cousins property, CUZ, is a Sunbelt office read. And this thing should be trading at a massive premium to net asset value. It is not. It is trading at a discount to net asset value.”
Listen at 23:08
Agree Realty yields approximately 4.79%.
“It's yielding about 4.79%.”
Listen at 25:05
Real estate is substantially undervalued for long-term investors.
“Real estate is ridiculously underpriced from a long-term investor's point of view.”
Listen at 27:58
Closed-end fund discounts should narrow as market cycles change and buyers return.
“Over time, nature will eventually, market cycle will change and buyers will come in and then capital narrow by itself.”
Listen at 30:39
Boaz Weinstein will eventually succeed more often than not in forcing fund changes.
“And he's going to be successful more often than not eventually”
Listen at 33:23
BPRE trades at approximately a 45% discount to net asset value.
“This thing is trading at about a 45% discount to net asset value.”
Listen at 37:07
BPRE provides investors an effective yield above 13%.
“our actual yield on this thing is over 13%.”
Listen at 37:55
BPRE’s discount to net asset value will narrow over time.
“over time, this discount is going to narrow.”
Listen at 38:00
Private credit sentiment will improve, buyers will return, and value will recover.
“Eventually. Private credit stops being the poster child for everything that's wrong in the world. Buyers come back in. The activists are tiptoeing in a little bit. And the value is recovered.”
Listen at 43:49
Melvin strongly favors the new $31 billion Ares BDC and its lending activities.
“This now creates a $31 billion BDC, the biggest one by far. I'll own that all day. I'm completely comfortable with owning anything that Aries is doing in the space”
Listen at 44:57
Inexperienced private-credit lenders making poor loans will suffer losses.
“The players that have not been in the space that make stupid loans are going to pay a price.”
Listen at 46:04
Heavily discounted preferred stocks should become profitable when interest rates fall.
“When they do, these heavily discounted preferreds are going to be pretty profitable.”
Listen at 47:28
Fulton Bank preferred stock FUTP should rise above $20 when rates fall.
“When rates begin to come down, this thing's going to trade back up over $20”
Listen at 47:53
Merchants Bank preferred stock MBIN should be called and refinanced if rates decline.
“If rates go down, because this one has the seven and five eighths coupon, it gets called. It'll get called at first opportunity to call and refinance it.”
Listen at 50:25
Flagstar Bank will experience difficult years but survive.
“that bank's going to have a rocky couple of years, but it's going to survive.”
Listen at 51:05
PFFA yields approximately 10.9% after a recent dividend increase.
“Now it's yielding 10.9%. And they just raised the dividend, by the way.”
Listen at 52:39
Melvin strongly favors the bank subordinated-debt fund at its discount and yield.
“i will own this all day. This is not a space that you and I can ever get into”
Listen at 54:29
U.S. market valuations are currently excessive.
“the valuations are ridiculous”
Listen at 55:15
The S&P 500 is expected to deliver 27% earnings growth.
“We're looking for 27% earnings growth in the S&P 500.”
Listen at 55:32
Micron and NVIDIA account for 36% of projected S&P 500 earnings growth.
“36% of the growth comes from two companies, Micron and NVIDIA.”
Listen at 55:42
The broader stock market will eventually correct.
“eventually there's going to be a correction.”
Listen at 55:54
Current-coupon CCC debt yields approximately 18%.
“current coupon CCC yields are 18%.”
Listen at 57:13
Higher refinancing costs will cause damage among lower-quality borrowers.
“there's some damage coming in at the lower end.”
Listen at 57:39
Market valuations eventually revert toward fundamental reality.
“Valuations always reset to reality.”
Listen at 58:28
Artificial intelligence could have an impact comparable to electricity.
“Artificial intelligence, in my mind, is as big as electricity.”
Listen at 59:54
AI companies, especially second- and third-tier firms, are not worth current valuations.
“Doesn't mean these companies are worth this, especially the second and third tier players.”
Listen at 1:00:00
Investors owning broad market indexes should currently feel cautious.
“if I was owning the indexes and stuff i'd be a little nervous right now”
Listen at 1:01:55
Community banks and real estate offer substantial upside and warrant investor participation.
“community banks can continue to be a great space. And I think the upside from real estate here is tremendous. I think you have to be involved.”
Listen at 1:07:07
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