Sep 1, 2026 · 22 min

Warsh’s hawkish turn jolts the bond-market debate

Warsh and peace

Rising long-term yields could signal stronger growth, worsening fiscal conditions or new competition for government debt, with consequences for stocks and monetary policy.

3 key takeaways

1Kevin Warsh’s Jackson Hole speech emphasized persistent inflation, strong employment and the possibility of higher interest rates.
2Long-term yields rose as investors weighed fiscal deterioration, stronger growth, global policy shifts and AI infrastructure borrowing.
3The hosts connect AI’s reputational problems with a bullish case for public-relations firms and growing opposition to data centers.

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Warsh’s hawkish Jackson Hole message is followed by rising, not falling, long-term yields, leaving the hosts to debate whether growth or fiscal anxiety is driving markets.

The brief

At Jackson Hole, Kevin Warsh delivered a more hawkish message on inflation and employment, signaling that rates could rise rather than easing soon.

Katie Martin and Rob Armstrong ask why long-term yields climbed after the speech, testing explanations that range from stronger growth to fiscal strain and heavy AI borrowing.

The stock-bond split sharpens the central question: are equities pricing a healthy expansion, or are bond investors demanding compensation for deteriorating public finances?

The discussion widens from markets to infrastructure, as hyperscalers’ debt-funded AI buildout competes for capital and data centers face backlash over water, power, land and labor.

The closing Long Short pairs Rob’s bullish view of public-relations firms with Katie’s bet against unchecked data-center expansion, linking market narratives to political resistance.

What was said on this episode

13 statements · 3 positive · 9 negative · 1 neutral

Robert Armstrongon Kevin Maxwell WarshNeutral2:21
Kevin Warsh withdrew forward guidance at his Fed press conference
“he withdrew forward guidance”
Listen at 2:21
Robert Armstrongon Kevin Warsh Jackson Hole messageNegative7:51
Armstrong judged Warsh’s Jackson Hole message emphatically hawkish
“the package was quite clear and was emphatically hawkish”
Listen at 7:51
Katie Martinon September Fed rate hike probabilityNegative8:38
Markets increased the implied September Fed rate-hike probability from one-third to two-thirds
“before he spoke, there was about a one in three chance implied through markets that the Fed would raise rates in September. Now it's about a two thirds chance that's priced in.”
Listen at 8:38
Katie Martinon US 10-year Treasury yieldNegative9:45
The US 10-year Treasury yield reached 4.8%
“the US 10-year yield is now up at 4.8%”
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Katie Martinon Government borrowingNegative12:07
Governments globally are borrowing excessively
“governments are borrowing too much damn money”
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Katie Martinon Government borrowing and bond yieldsNegative12:42
Heavy government borrowing is pushing bond investors to demand higher compensation
“governments are leaning really hard on the bond market and the bond market is saying, look, we're not just like a cash machine. You're going to have to pay us for this.”
Listen at 12:42
Robert Armstrongon US and global nominal growthPositive14:03
Nominal growth in the US and globally is strong
“nominal growth in the U.S. and the world is pretty good”
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Robert Armstrongon US nominal growthPositive14:23
US nominal growth is running at approximately 7%
“you have 7% nominal growth running around loose in the United States”
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Robert Armstrongon Hyperscaler bondsNegative16:03
Hyperscaler bond issuance is competing with sovereign bonds for buyers
“sovereign bonds are competing for... buyers with the bonds issued by the hyperscalers in massive quantities”
Listen at 16:03
Robert Armstrongon AI industryNegative19:43
AI companies have handled public relations poorly
“however smart these AI people are, man, they have made a mess of their PR strategy”
Listen at 19:43
Robert Armstrongon Public relations industryPositive19:49
The public-relations industry will remain needed even after AI dominance
“even after the computers take over the world, there is going to be a place for that industry”
Listen at 19:49
Katie Martinon AI data centersNegative20:16
Data centers consume substantial resources and create relatively few jobs
“They eat water. They eat electricity. They take your job. They take your job. They don't employ that many people.”
Listen at 20:16
Katie Martinon AI data centersNegative20:42
Data-center companies cannot complete planned construction because of local opposition
“all this money that these companies have borrowed to build the data centers. Now they can't get the data centers built”
Listen at 20:42

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