Nov 5, 2026 · 50 min
Zeberg sees a final rally before a deflationary bust
#429 Henrik Zeberg: Now We Rally — Not Because Things Are Great, But Because Things Are Bad
The episode presents a market-timing thesis in which rising equities mask weakening consumers, tighter credit, and mounting private-credit stress.
- 1Henrik Zeberg expects a final equity melt-up, with the Nasdaq potentially rising about 30% before markets top around January.
- 2He compares the backdrop with 2007, emphasizing weakening growth, consumer pressure, labor-market deterioration, and hidden credit problems.
- 3Zeberg expects a deflationary bust followed by Federal Reserve intervention that could shift the economy toward stagflation.
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The brief
Henrik Zeberg argues that the current correction has likely ended and markets are entering a final melt-up, even as deteriorating fundamentals make the advance look deceptively healthy.
His 2007 comparison centers on weakening growth, rising unemployment, pressured consumers, and credit problems that can remain hidden while asset prices continue climbing.
Zeberg expects inflated valuations, tighter credit, and private-credit stress to trigger a deflationary bust; he sees Federal Reserve intervention potentially leading to stagflation.
Gold occupies a different place in the forecast: Zeberg expects near-term volatility or a pullback, followed by substantial long-term gains as debt pressures build.
Bond yields are his key timing signal: if two-year and 10-year yields fail to decline, the projected equity top and broader cycle could take longer to unfold.
What was said on this episode
44 statements · 9 positive · 27 negative · 2 mixed · 6 neutral
- Henrik Zebergon US equity marketPositive3:05
The market has already reached its bottom.
“I do think we have a bottom in right now.”
Listen at 3:05
- Henrik Zebergon US equity marketPositive4:03
The market will make a final move higher.
“I think that we now have the final... will run higher”
Listen at 4:03
- Henrik Zebergon US equity market rallyPositive4:30
The final market rally will be explosive.
“it's really going to be, as I see it, explosive.”
Listen at 4:30
- Henrik Zebergon AI businessesNegative5:19
AI businesses will be the first major credit-related failures.
“the AI businesses that will be the first dominoes that start to fall.”
Listen at 5:19
- Henrik Zebergon US labor marketNegative5:36
The labor market is currently very weak.
“you see that the labor market is as weak as it is”
Listen at 5:36
- Henrik Zebergon US labor marketNegative5:37
US labor-market job growth averages 50,000 monthly over twelve months.
“the labor market is as weak as it is, you're down to 50,000 jobs on an average per month going on the 12-month moving average”
Listen at 5:37
- Henrik Zebergon US housing marketNegative5:47
The housing market is at a standstill.
“the housing market as a standstill.”
Listen at 5:47
- Henrik Zebergon AI boomNeutral5:57
The AI boom contributed 1.6 percentage points to GDP growth over three years.
“it's actually only been contributing with 1.6 percentage point GDP growth over three years.”
Listen at 5:57
- Henrik Zebergon AI boomNegative6:04
Half of the AI boom’s GDP contribution came from imported hardware.
“half of that was import from Taiwan and other countries on hardware.”
Listen at 6:04
- Henrik Zebergon AI boomNegative6:11
The AI boom is not materially supporting the economy.
“the AI boom is not there either.”
Listen at 6:11
The Nasdaq target is 30% above its current level.
“I have a NASDAQ target that is 30% higher than where we are today.”
Listen at 7:39
- Henrik Zebergon market rallyPositive8:21
The market rally will generate substantial hype.
“you will see that then there'll be a lot of, you know, hype around this.”
Listen at 8:21
- Henrik Zebergon retail investorsPositive8:24
Retail investors will enter the market heavily.
“Retail probably going to come in a lot.”
Listen at 8:24
- Henrik Zebergon retail investorsNegative8:42
Retail investors will be drawn into the market near its top.
“they'll be called exactly as they always do right at the top”
Listen at 8:42
- Henrik Zebergon Bond yieldsNegative11:26
Economic breaks are accompanied by falling bond yields.
“when the economy breaks, it breaks by seeing that the yields start to come down.”
Listen at 11:26
- Henrik Zebergon stock-market peakNegative12:14
A stock-market peak does not imply that economic conditions are good.
“when the stock market peaks. it doesn't mean that everything is great.”
Listen at 12:14
Equities commonly rally into a final market phase.
“this about that the stock market could rally into a final phase is not that, you know, uncommon. It's actually very common.”
Listen at 12:22
The stock market can rally during its final phase.
“the stock market could rally into a final phase”
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The Nasdaq could eventually revisit approximately 3,500.
“this is actually the level I would see as very... probable that we can reach again, which will be around 3,500 on the NASDAQ.”
Listen at 13:59
- Henrik Zebergon GDP and job creationNeutral16:01
GDP growth and job creation are closely correlated.
“GDP and job creation go hand in hand.”
Listen at 16:01
- Henrik Zebergon US housing marketNegative17:43
Housing-market problems affect the labor market after a multiyear lag.
“if we start to see the housing market having problems, you will see that with a few years' lack.”
Listen at 17:43
A recession may begin within roughly three to six months.
“we have, you know, after that point, it'll be three, four to five months, maybe six months, maybe even before we see the recession setting in.”
Listen at 18:32
- Henrik Zebergon Liquidity stimulusNegative19:01
Liquidity stimulus is ineffective during certain business-cycle phases.
“there are certain things and certain phases where liquidity doesn't help.”
Listen at 19:01
- Henrik Zebergon Monetary stimulusNeutral20:34
Monetary stimulus can take months or longer to affect consumers.
“It can take three months, six months, nine months, 12 months, maybe longer”
Listen at 20:34
- Henrik Zebergon Bottom 50% of US consumersNegative26:15
The bottom half of US consumers is currently financially strained.
“the bottom 50% is not very well off at this point.”
Listen at 26:15
- Henrik Zebergon AI bubble burstNegative27:08
A bubble burst amid consumer stress and geopolitical tensions would create severe risks.
“if we at the same time here has a consumer that is very under pressure and we have these geopolitical tensions and we then all of a sudden see a crisis like what I'm suggesting here, a bubble bursting, that's just not a good cocktail.”
Listen at 27:08
- Henrik Zebergon AI-related technology stocksNegative28:36
An AI-related crisis will begin with falling technology-stock valuations.
“I think it's going to, as I've said before, 2,000 as the appetizer, drop in tech stocks, phrase evaluations, drop.”
Listen at 28:36
- Henrik Zebergon AI debt and private creditNegative28:44
Falling tech stocks will spread into AI debt and private credit.
“But then it's going to trickle down into the AI debt that we have seen already some of and into the private credit companies”
Listen at 28:44
- Henrik Zebergon Financial crisisNegative29:30
The crisis will initially produce a deflationary bust.
“the first phase we're going to see is probably going to be the bust. And that is by definition, a deflationary development.”
Listen at 29:30
Federal Reserve intervention will create a worse subsequent outcome.
“when the Fed steps in, they're going to create something that is worse.”
Listen at 30:38
- Henrik Zebergon AI bubbleNegative31:31
An AI-bubble burst can trigger an initial deflationary phase.
“The first will be the deflationary development that can come when the AI bubble bursts.”
Listen at 31:31
- Henrik Zebergon Central banksNegative31:47
Central banks cannot resolve a later stagnationary phase.
“they cannot do anything about a stagnationary development.”
Listen at 31:47
Gold tends to underperform during deflationary busts as demand for dollars rises.
“gold does not like when deflationary busts are bursting because then you will need dollars.”
Listen at 33:14
Gold could reach $25,000–$30,000 per ounce in the early 2030s.
“I have serious targets that are at $25,000 to $30,000 an ounce when we get into the early 2030s.”
Listen at 33:52
Gold will perform strongly during stagflation.
“gold will do well in the stagflationary phase, no doubt.”
Listen at 34:14
- Henrik Zebergon US dollar and bondsPositive34:55
The dollar and bonds will likely outperform after the market crash.
“That will probably be the dollar or bonds, which I think you will be really stand strong there.”
Listen at 34:55
- Henrik Zebergon 10-year Treasury yieldsNegative36:33
The peak in 10-year Treasury yields has likely already occurred.
“Yes, I think we have.”
Listen at 36:33
- Henrik Zebergon Inflation and bond yieldsNegative38:55
Falling inflation causes bond yields to decline.
“when inflation comes down, yields are coming down.”
Listen at 38:55
- Henrik Zebergon Equity marketNegative39:39
The equity market will likely peak around January.
“Yeah, I would dare to say January. I think the top will be there.”
Listen at 39:39
- Henrik Zebergon Bond yieldsMixed42:09
A failure of bond yields to decline would delay the market forecast.
“if we don't see that kind of decline in the bond yields, I would have to say, okay, now things are probably going to take something somewhat longer.”
Listen at 42:09
- Henrik Zebergon Private credit debtNegative43:42
Private-credit debt will be the next major financial domino.
“the next domino is going to be the debt that we have seen building up in private credit.”
Listen at 43:42
- Henrik Zebergon Private credit exposuresNegative45:57
Opaque private-credit exposures could eventually affect banks, pensions, and insurers.
“you do not have that overview now of the different exposures that at some point will add up and hit the banks and the pension funds and the insurance companies”
Listen at 45:57
- Henrik Zebergon Private credit marketNeutral46:32
Private credit may be two or three times larger than $2 trillion.
“I think it's maybe two or three times that size.”
Listen at 46:32
- Henrik Zebergon US economic expansionNegative48:26
Economic expansion cannot continue if consumers cannot pay.
“if she can't, it cannot go on.”
Listen at 48:26
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