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What podcasts say about John Schulman

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What John Schulman has said on podcasts

12 statements · 4 positive · 6 negative · 2 neutral

  1. on AI research and engineering productivityNegativeSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    Research and engineering bottlenecks currently prevent explosive AI capability growth.

    “you don't get explosive growth in capabilities because you still get bottlenecked enough when you're trying to do research and engineering”

    Listen at 2:31

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  2. on Human objective specification for AINeutralSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    Defining AI objectives will be the human role that lasts longest.

    “the last job for humans, or the role for humans that'll last the longest is defining the objective”

    Listen at 15:48

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  3. Model distillation counteracts centralization among model providers.

    “distillation is the main thing that fights against the centralizing force”

    Listen at 18:55

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  4. Distillation using only verifiable tasks can match benchmarks while underperforming on realistic tasks.

    “if you only have this distribution of easily verifiable tasks, then you can match the big model on all the benchmarks, but you do worse on this broader distribution”

    Listen at 26:56

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  5. on AI systems automating AI researchNeutralSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    AI research automation will combine human feedback with multi-step research practice environments.

    “we'll probably do some combination of learning from human feedback to absorb the researcher's taste and just creating a lot of practice environments”

    Listen at 28:46

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  6. on Domain-specific reinforcement learningPositiveSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    Domain-specific reinforcement learning can improve runtime efficiency even when in-context learning is sufficient.

    “you still might want to do a bunch of RL and bake all these intuitions into the weights so the model would be more efficient at runtime”

    Listen at 37:38

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  7. on Coding-agent reward functionsNegativeSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    Superficial deployment signals can cause reward hacking in coding agents.

    “if you use some kind of superficial signal, like did they accept the code, the edit, that might get reward hacked in some way”

    Listen at 45:14

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  8. on Shared deployment-data learningNegativeSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    Business incentives may prevent model providers from learning directly from all customer deployments.

    “Companies aren't going to want to have the model provider learn from all of their deployment”

    Listen at 53:06

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  9. on Expert-behavior distillationPositiveSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    Examples of expert behavior can be copied into relatively weak models surprisingly easily.

    “once you have an example of the right expert behavior, it's actually surprisingly easy to copy that into a relatively weak model”

    Listen at 1:03:38

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  10. on RL-trained language modelsNegativeSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    Reinforcement learning reduces output diversity and creates recurring stylistic patterns.

    “the diversity of their outputs is a lot lower after RL and they sort of develop these ticks”

    Listen at 1:26:50

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  11. AI may surpass top human experts across computer-based cognitive work within three or four years.

    “I would say like 3 or 4 years”

    Listen at 1:34:43

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement
  12. on AI for physical and mechanical engineeringNegativeSep 11, 2026· Dwarkesh Podcast

    AI progress in physical, spatial, and mechanical fields will lag progress in code and mathematics.

    “for things that involve 3D and spatial stuff and physical stuff, I think that will take a little longer”

    Listen at 1:35:09

    Open the episode · AI researchers debate how close we are to recursive self-improvement

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