Oct 23, 2026 · 2h 8m
Greenwald and Kelly test celebrity claims against evidence
What Meghan Markle Really Knew About Shock Allegations Against Her Father, and Alex Cooper's Terrible Marriage Advice, with Glenn Greenwald | Ep.1426
The episode pits public-relations narratives and political allegations against questions of proof, due process, institutional failure, and personal responsibility.
- 1Kelly and Greenwald question Meghan Markle’s account of her father and whether her public response served image rehabilitation.
- 2They clash over allegations involving Ilhan Omar, weighing reported evidence against due process and the danger of asserting unproven crimes.
- 3The conversation moves from Israel and Republican politics to celebrity relationship advice and workplace allegations involving Ellen DeGeneres.
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Greenwald and Kelly sharply disagree over whether allegations involving Ilhan Omar warrant conclusions now or require a full adversarial investigation first.
The brief
Megyn Kelly opens with allegations involving Meghan Markle’s father, asking what Markle and Prince Harry knew, how they responded, and whether her public statement was principally a public-relations strategy.
Glenn Greenwald joins Kelly to examine institutional failures around the royal household and police, while debating whether Markle’s account centers public accountability or her own victimhood.
The discussion turns to Ilhan Omar’s immigration and marital history, where Greenwald urges an adversarial investigation before judgment and Kelly argues that existing reporting already indicates serious misconduct.
Kelly and Greenwald then assess Kamala Harris’s rhetoric, J.D. Vance’s position on Israel, and what an America First approach could mean for Republican politics.
After criticizing relationship advice from Call Her Daddy and Sophia Bush, Kelly connects workplace allegations about Ellen DeGeneres to the broader gap between celebrity image and private conduct.
What was said on this episode
30 statements · 5 positive · 19 negative · 1 mixed · 5 neutral
Ilhan Omar appears to have used a fake name when sworn into Congress.
“It does appear she's using a fake name. She was sworn into Congress under a fake name.”
Listen at 0:43
Thomas Markle Sr. may soon be arrested if investigators attribute the images to him.
“He will be under arrest soon if they believe that these are his images and that he was in possession of them.”
Listen at 4:27
Megyn believes Meghan Markle was informed about allegations in 2018.
“I believe her that she was told this in 2018.”
Listen at 11:37
Viewing child sexual abuse material creates victims and is not victimless.
“Looking at child sexual abuse material is not a victimless crime.”
Listen at 12:31
Parents should report credible allegations that their father sexually abuses children.
“I think you do. I think the answer to that is clearly, Yes.”
Listen at 15:28
Failing to act after believing a family member abuses children is unforgivable.
“If they've known this entire time that they had a child sexual abuser in the family and did nothing about it, that is all unforgivable.”
Listen at 28:58
Meghan Markle should have issued only a brief statement expressing distress.
“the statement should read. Obviously, I'm deeply distressed by the news today and I'll have nothing further to say about it.”
Listen at 56:01
Meghan Markle’s statement implicates her nearly as much as her father.
“she like now implicates herself almost as much as her father”
Listen at 57:01
Meghan Markle’s need for attention likely drove her public statement.
“I think it's that narcissism and that attention need that among everything else probably was the main factor.”
Listen at 59:25
Glenn lacks conclusive evidence that Ilhan Omar committed immigration fraud.
“I'm agnostic on this. I have an open mind. I've never seen evidence that is in any way conclusive.”
Listen at 1:11:15
Denaturalizing people is extremely uncommon in the United States.
“it is almost unheard of to denaturalize people.”
Listen at 1:12:36
An unlawfully naturalized person cannot serve in the U.S. Congress.
“if she was not naturalized lawfully, she can't be a U.S. Congress person.”
Listen at 1:13:13
“I believe she committed perjury then.”
Listen at 1:17:21
Glenn opposes reaching conclusions from leaked media allegations before due process.
“I do get uncomfortable with trial by leak in media.”
Listen at 1:19:00
Glenn will withhold judgment on Omar until a fuller adversarial investigation occurs.
“Let's wait until there's like, and I'm not saying you shouldn't cover it. Everybody's covering it. That's totally legitimate. For me, I'm going to wait until I see a kind of fuller scale.”
Listen at 1:25:45
Megyn claims Ilhan Omar never legally changed her name.
“There's no formal name change. She never legally changed her name at some point.”
Listen at 1:27:57
If Omar did not legally change her name, she may not be the lawful congressional representative.
“if she didn't properly change her name from Ilhan Nur Saeed Elmi to Ilhan Omar before she ran for office, then we do not have the right person serving from this district in Minnesota.”
Listen at 1:28:52
Glenn plans to challenge Ilhan Omar directly about the allegations in an interview.
“It's going to be adversarial. I want to present her with the things that people like you are saying and press her on it”
Listen at 1:31:45
Megyn doubts Kamala Harris is the Democratic Party’s solution.
“I don't think she's the answer to their problems.”
Listen at 1:38:11
Glenn evaluates Kamala Harris’s rhetoric as exceptionally poor.
“she's the worst.”
Listen at 1:38:57
Megyn characterizes J.D. Vance’s position as supportive of Israel with limits.
“I think the vice president's position on Israel is he's pro-Israel, but with limits.”
Listen at 1:43:23
Avoiding comment on Israel’s election is smart politics for the vice president.
“it's smart politics not to say anything about it.”
Listen at 1:47:19
Fox News will support the most pro-Israel viable Republican presidential candidate.
“Fox will get behind the most pro-Israel one who can win.”
Listen at 1:49:01
An America-first focus over unconditional devotion to Israel is politically effective.
“our focus should be on the interests of the American people and not this like devotion to Israel independent of that. And I think that's a winning argument”
Listen at 1:50:23
Marriage is founded on commitment to building love and a shared life.
“The foundation of it is that you commit to creating love and building lives together.”
Listen at 1:54:12
The advice to leave for a potentially better partner is narcissistic and avoids responsibility.
“It's just so, it's narcissistic. It's short-sighted. It takes no responsibility for a woman's role in the partnership.”
Listen at 1:55:33
Promoting immediate relationship exit causes substantial harm to families.
“this kind of thing is doing a lot of damage.”
Listen at 1:56:17
The claim that a better partner is always available is generally false.
“if you're sitting around asking, can I get better? The answer is always yes. Fuck off. That's generally not true.”
Listen at 1:58:40
Telling women to leave marriages whenever they wonder about alternatives endangers them.
“this kind of advice only endangers them.”
Listen at 1:59:00
Ellen DeGeneres’s workplace allegations have reduced her professional associations.
“Ellen DeGeneres was for a time. But I bet she can't get people to take her calls now because no one wants to be associated with that.”
Listen at 2:05:46
Statements are attributed to the speaker as said on the episode and reflect their view at the time, not PodLume's. They are not advice.
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