What podcasts say about Jason Pagoulatos
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What Jason Pagoulatos has said on podcasts
23 statements · 7 positive · 12 negative · 2 mixed · 2 neutral
Paper Trade enables up to 1,000x leverage, making activity mostly gambling.
“it essentially lets traders take these massive leverage trades but mostly gambles right uh up to 1000x leverage”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 2:50
Paper Trade positions are taken against a house counterparty.
“the positions are taken against the house”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 3:27
Paper Trade pays winners only roughly 88–90% of their gross winnings.
“if you win, You don't get the full 100% of the win. You get like 88 or 90 or 90 something percent of the win”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 6:56
Paper Trade orders do not reach the underlying market or create market impact.
“if you go buy $10 million of Bitcoin on paper trade, that market... or that order never hits the actual market. So it doesn't actually have any market impact”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 8:56
Paper Trade is a casino rather than conventional trading.
“It is a casino.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 9:20
Trading at 500x leverage is gambling, not genuine trading.
“500x trading isn't trading it's gambling”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 9:30
Crypto Twitter users deposited approximately $140 million USDC before Paper Trade launched.
“Crypto Twitter, I think, deposited or pre-deposited 140 million USDC, so not a small amount of money, into the platform to start trading as soon as it went live.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 10:39
Paper Trade had paid approximately $57 million to PAPER holders through staking.
“I think it was at this point, $57 million have been paid to paper holders via, you know, staking your paper after you've lost your money.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 11:08
Paper Trade has an open attack vector through its price-feed design.
“there's an open attack vector here”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 14:49
Paper Trade is not fully decentralized because its multisig retains operational control.
“when you say something's like fully on chain it doesn't actually it's not like fully decentralized right like it's still a multi-sig they still have full control over whatever goes on”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 16:47
Making PAPER transferable would enable attacks against Paper Trade.
“they're right. That is what will happen. It's not a matter of if that will 100% happen if the token is made transferable”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 18:40
Paper Trade created an expectation that PAPER tokens would eventually become transferable.
“you kind of made a promise in a sense or you at least like sold that like everybody was under the impression when they pre-deposited their money into this protocol that these paper tokens would be transferable at some time”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 20:27
Paper Trade damaged its reputation by changing rules after attracting deposits.
“it's a bad look, right? You sell a bunch of people on a rule set beforehand. A bunch of money comes in and now you change everything after the fact.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 22:20
Paper Trade effectively bait-and-switched users on protocol and token rules.
“they are kind of big and switching you with the rule set and the parameters around the protocol and the token beforehand and after.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 22:38
Paper Trade’s remaining activity reflects organic users rather than token farmers.
“what you now see is what the organic usage of people who want this type of thing is versus the activity that was there to potentially farm a token to then sell”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 24:52
Paper Trade will have extreme difficulty recovering after the rule changes.
“It's going to be extremely tough.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 25:44
Paper Trade’s tokenomics, yield, pool, and transferability rules changed after launch.
“the protocol today is different than it was when it launched everything is different about it besides like the 1000x aspect”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 26:37
Keeping capital in Paper Trade has excessively high opportunity cost.
“the opportunity cost of keeping your capital here is way too high, which is kind of where I've landed.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 27:05
Tokens generally fail when the token itself is treated as the product.
“if your token is the product a lot of times it can't work”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 29:15
Hyperliquid was successful before launching its token and could succeed without one.
“Hyper Liquid would be successful without a token. It was successful before the token launched.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 29:30
A successful token project needs an underlying good business.
“you just need to have a good business”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 29:38
Equity requires an underlying value-producing business to be worth something.
“For equity to be worth something, it needs to be tied to a business that produces value in some way.”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 29:48
Failing crypto projects should return investor funds instead of draining treasuries.
“if you're realized you're going to fail, don't go milking the treasury for five, six years and taking a salary, return the money to investors”
Open the episode · PaperTrade Attracted $140M, Then Changed the Rules. Was It a Bait and Switch?Listen at 31:12
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