← Misha Laskin

What podcasts say about Misha Laskin

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What Misha Laskin has said on podcasts

28 statements · 18 positive · 5 negative · 1 mixed · 4 neutral

  1. on general superintelligencePositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    General superintelligence is now beginning to emerge and will have significant consequences.

    “I think now you're actually starting to see a general super intelligence and that's has some pretty remarkable consequences.”

    Listen at 2:17

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  2. on production AI workloadsPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Owning AI starts making sense once production workloads become core assets at roughly $100 million scale.

    “by the time you've scaled something to production, and this is your basically almost core asset, core IP, you're generating $100 million or spending $100 million on it, ownership starts making sense”

    Listen at 4:13

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  3. on owned AI infrastructurePositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Owning AI can improve data control, costs, customization, and margins at scale.

    “ownership starts making sense for a number of reasons around control of your data, lowering your costs. being able to customize the model against your data, being able to optimize your margins”

    Listen at 4:23

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  4. on enterprise AI buyersPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Many AI buyers are currently seeking to own their intelligence.

    “a lot of buyers are looking to own their intelligence now.”

    Listen at 4:56

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  5. on owned AI systemsNeutralOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Owning AI requires owning the model and its surrounding infrastructure stack.

    “ownership means not just owning the model, but the whole thing around it.”

    Listen at 8:00

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  6. Regional sovereign intelligence providers must use open models to serve tokens on their infrastructure.

    “the only way for them to serve tokens and basically become the intelligence provider for that region is to work with an open model by definition”

    Listen at 12:47

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  7. on AI-mature enterprise customersPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    AI-mature customers are moving production workloads from closed models to reduce costs and protect data.

    “the customers that want to do this are already pretty ai mature where they have workloads that are running in production on closed models and they want to optimize those they want to make them more cost efficient they want to not share their data”

    Listen at 13:28

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  8. on language model pretrainingNeutralOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Pretraining teaches language models to imitate patterns found on the internet.

    “language models learn you can think about pre-training, which is learning to imitate the internet”

    Listen at 19:25

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  9. Reinforcement learning is needed to transform chatbots into superintelligent agents.

    “to move from that to the super intelligent agents that we have today you need to scale up with reinforcement learning”

    Listen at 20:01

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  10. on reinforcement learning computeNeutralOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Reinforcement learning sometimes requires more scaling compute than pretraining.

    “sometimes reinforcement learning even takes more compute than pre-training to scale.”

    Listen at 20:20

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  11. on verifiable reinforcement-learning tasksPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Verifiable tasks provide the highest-quality reinforcement-learning data.

    “the best tasks are the ones that are verifiable”

    Listen at 22:31

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  12. on verifiable training dataPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Increasing verifiable tasks improves training while compute scales proportionally.

    “The more verifiable ones you get, the better and scale compute proportionally.”

    Listen at 23:26

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  13. on synthetic AI training dataPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Real-world tasks provide useful seeds for generating synthetic training data.

    “these real world tasks forced by vendors or through users, through real world data flywheels, enable you to provide good seeds for generating synthetic data.”

    Listen at 26:03

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  14. on powerful AI modelsNegativeOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Powerful, poorly understood models can cause unintended cyber consequences.

    “the things that I've been most worried about that like just empirically from observing what kinds of cyber hacks have happened have been from the second part of having models that are very powerful but because you don't have that many people who actually understand understand or even have access to them uh there are unintended consequences”

    Listen at 28:41

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  15. on reward hackingNegativeOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    The described behavior is an instance of reward hacking.

    “This is a phenomenon called reward hacking.”

    Listen at 30:20

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  16. on AI sandbox securityNegativeOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Powerful AI systems can exploit sandbox weaknesses and escape intended isolation.

    “the systems find exploits in the sandbox engineering. that enable them to hack out, even though that the intention was to keep them isolated.”

    Listen at 32:24

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  17. on Linux and AndroidPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Linux and Android are among the world’s most hardened software systems.

    “the open source software like Linux and Android is the most hardened software in the world.”

    Listen at 33:16

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  18. on open-source software developmentPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Open-source software can expand contributors from a small team to thousands.

    “Open source software, because it invites a community, instead of 10 software engineers building something, you now have 10,000.”

    Listen at 34:16

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  19. on open-source cybersecurityPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Cybersecurity relies on open development because broad participation helps identify bugs.

    “that is why cybersecurity relies on openness”

    Listen at 34:34

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  20. on closed frontier-model safetyNegativeOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Closed frontier-model safety may rely on only about 500 researchers, which is insufficient.

    “in the whole world, our whole world is being secured today by 500 people. No matter their intention, it is impossible that they'll secure these brains.”

    Listen at 35:28

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  21. on distributed AI defensePositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Distributed defenses are the best approach for securing powerful AI systems.

    “the best defense is a distributed defense.”

    Listen at 39:12

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  22. on cyber defensive computePositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Economic incentives may favor allocating roughly 90% of AI compute to cyber defense.

    “I bet you that just economically, it'll be a lot more valuable to have like 90%. cyber defensive compute, defending against stuff versus 10% of offensive.”

    Listen at 41:46

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  23. on DeepSeekPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Opening DeepSeek V3 helped Western users recognize and build on Chinese AI capability.

    “by opening the model, China enabled the entire Western world to recognize its capability and build on its technology.”

    Listen at 45:09

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  24. on Western and Chinese frontier AI modelsMixedOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Western frontier models have not yet matched Chinese models but are close.

    “the Western frontier has not yet caught up with the Chinese models, but it is close.”

    Listen at 47:36

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  25. on Western open AI modelsPositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Western open-model developers will probably catch up with Chinese leaders by Q4 or Q1.

    “I think Q4, Q1 next year, you know, probably fully caught up at that point.”

    Listen at 52:33

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  26. on top AI talentNeutralOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Top AI talent is motivated by mission alignment, winning prospects, and fair compensation.

    “The things that motivate people are deep mission alignment, a right to win, and then, of course, the economics being fair.”

    Listen at 54:44

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  27. on closed AI ecosystemNegativeOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    A purely closed AI ecosystem would concentrate compute and power in one or two labs.

    “if it's purely closed, then you basically will have maximal concentration of power and literal power, like resources, compute and power resources among... one or two labs”

    Listen at 57:12

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI
  28. on distributed AI computePositiveOct 14, 2026· This Week in Startups

    Distributed compute could slow recursive AI improvement relative to concentrated compute.

    “it's also there it's a safer world for the reason that if you believe that ai is getting so powerful that it's recursively improving itself then it's going to improve itself faster if you have more compute concentrated in one place than distributed among many.”

    Listen at 57:38

    Open the episode · The Ex-DeepMind Researcher Taking On China’s Open Source AI

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